Does God want America to become a Mormon country?

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Does God want America to become a Mormon country?
Hell, YES! And I'm voting for Romney! 9%  9%  [ 5 ]
Heavens, NO! And I'm voting for a nominal Christian! 26%  26%  [ 14 ]
God doesn't give a damn what happens to America 64%  64%  [ 34 ]
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29 Oct 2012, 7:03 pm

I think the concept of polygamy is uncomfortable to most people because it raises the question of free love.



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30 Oct 2012, 5:13 pm

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I think the concept of polygamy is uncomfortable to most people because it raises the question of free love.


Since polygamy is antithetical to free love how does it "raise the question of free love"?



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30 Oct 2012, 6:26 pm

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3) we invite people to learn our gospel. It is up to them to decide if they want to join. We never force anybody.
And breeding sounds very much like your discribing us as a vermin instead of us doing what almost every family does. You could have put "and due to the number of LDS families in some areas, the number of LDS chirldren who will eventualy get married and have more children, the population in certane contry's is becoming largly LDS."


Inviting people to read your gospel would be peachy keen if you didn't insist on a door-to-door recruitment.


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30 Oct 2012, 10:09 pm

Polygamy was the near east practice when Abraham became the father of the faith, and even then, the torah went out of its way to show inequality and unfairness of the system. It was later phased out completely.

The mormons, or from a claim I heard, held it up for practical reasons... society kept thinning the herd by hunting them down, they needed the numbers and this helped. I've also read "Under The Banner Of Heaven" and if the history in it is true, and Joseph Smith was an adulterer having sex with minors, then maybe that was the inspiration early on. IDK


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30 Oct 2012, 11:00 pm

When my Pastor had been a missionary in Nigeria years ago, he had found the practice of polygamy legal but rare among most people. In such cases when it did exist, he had found it was usually the wife who would encourage her husband to take a second wife - because that made her the number one wife, with number two to boss around as her cook and house keeper.

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30 Oct 2012, 11:02 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
When my Pastor had been a missionary in Nigeria years ago, he had found the practice of polygamy legal but rare among most people. In such cases when it did exist, he had found it was usually the wife who would encourage her husband to take a second wife - because that made her the number one wife, with number two to boss around as her cook and house keeper.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


well women in many underdeveloped places do most of the work, the men just get drunk and sleep around. She'll need all the help she can get.


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30 Oct 2012, 11:05 pm

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When my Pastor had been a missionary in Nigeria years ago, he had found the practice of polygamy legal but rare among most people. In such cases when it did exist, he had found it was usually the wife who would encourage her husband to take a second wife - because that made her the number one wife, with number two to boss around as her cook and house keeper.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


well women in many underdeveloped places do most of the work, the men just get drunk and sleep around. She'll need all the help she can get.


Read Tacitus about our Barbarian ancestors in his book, The Germania. You'll find exactly the same description there.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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30 Oct 2012, 11:23 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
When my Pastor had been a missionary in Nigeria years ago, he had found the practice of polygamy legal but rare among most people. In such cases when it did exist, he had found it was usually the wife who would encourage her husband to take a second wife - because that made her the number one wife, with number two to boss around as her cook and house keeper.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


well women in many underdeveloped places do most of the work, the men just get drunk and sleep around. She'll need all the help she can get.


Read Tacitus about our Barbarian ancestors in his book, The Germania. You'll find exactly the same description there.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I come from it, and I've seen it in other sexist cultures in polynesia. I am tongan and the story in the US is largely the same. If they are not the breadwinner, they do nothing but drink kava with other unemployed tongans who have nothing else to do. Some samoan tribes will have the woman plow the fields, raise the children, and earn the livelihood of the family, while the man is to be served as a king, eating up the family's earnings by drinking with his friends.

It is the woman who are the back bone of society, they are the ones pushing social issues like sustainability and fighting chemical spillages into the bay, they are the ones pushing for democracy, their the ones getting the degrees.

The state of man is not good in most of the world. I worry for woman, but not as much as I do for men. By every barometer one can judge man by, we come out the less impressive sex.


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30 Oct 2012, 11:28 pm

Most mormons have disavowed polygamy. If Joseph Smith were alive today, he would be part of the FLDS church or some other offshoot.



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31 Oct 2012, 1:39 am

MarketAndChurch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
When my Pastor had been a missionary in Nigeria years ago, he had found the practice of polygamy legal but rare among most people. In such cases when it did exist, he had found it was usually the wife who would encourage her husband to take a second wife - because that made her the number one wife, with number two to boss around as her cook and house keeper.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


well women in many underdeveloped places do most of the work, the men just get drunk and sleep around. She'll need all the help she can get.


Read Tacitus about our Barbarian ancestors in his book, The Germania. You'll find exactly the same description there.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I come from it, and I've seen it in other sexist cultures in polynesia. I am tongan and the story in the US is largely the same. If they are not the breadwinner, they do nothing but drink kava with other unemployed tongans who have nothing else to do. Some samoan tribes will have the woman plow the fields, raise the children, and earn the livelihood of the family, while the man is to be served as a king, eating up the family's earnings by drinking with his friends.

It is the woman who are the back bone of society, they are the ones pushing social issues like sustainability and fighting chemical spillages into the bay, they are the ones pushing for democracy, their the ones getting the degrees.

The state of man is not good in most of the world. I worry for woman, but not as much as I do for men. By every barometer one can judge man by, we come out the less impressive sex.


At one time, men in primitive tribal societies were the warriors (as among Pre-Christian Germanic and Celtic tribes in Europe), and so they would go out to fight while he women would handle the everyday chores. Since western civilization has ended endemic violence in the third world of today, the men do nothing but, as you say, drink and hang out with the guys. Men either have no notion of what to do with themselves in traditional societies, or don't want to adjust.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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31 Oct 2012, 2:24 am

No God doesn't care what happens to America.



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31 Oct 2012, 12:44 pm

Polygamy may not endorse free love but every time the question of polygamy comes up in today's society women respond by asking if a woman should be allowed to have two husbands.



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01 Nov 2012, 10:20 am

androbot2084 wrote:
Polygamy may not endorse free love but every time the question of polygamy comes up in today's society women respond by asking if a woman should be allowed to have two husbands.


Polygamist dynasties often fell when the sons from different moms would readily kill each other.



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02 Nov 2012, 2:00 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
When my Pastor had been a missionary in Nigeria years ago, he had found the practice of polygamy legal but rare among most people. In such cases when it did exist, he had found it was usually the wife who would encourage her husband to take a second wife - because that made her the number one wife, with number two to boss around as her cook and house keeper.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


well women in many underdeveloped places do most of the work, the men just get drunk and sleep around. She'll need all the help she can get.


Read Tacitus about our Barbarian ancestors in his book, The Germania. You'll find exactly the same description there.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I come from it, and I've seen it in other sexist cultures in polynesia. I am tongan and the story in the US is largely the same. If they are not the breadwinner, they do nothing but drink kava with other unemployed tongans who have nothing else to do. Some samoan tribes will have the woman plow the fields, raise the children, and earn the livelihood of the family, while the man is to be served as a king, eating up the family's earnings by drinking with his friends.

It is the woman who are the back bone of society, they are the ones pushing social issues like sustainability and fighting chemical spillages into the bay, they are the ones pushing for democracy, their the ones getting the degrees.

The state of man is not good in most of the world. I worry for woman, but not as much as I do for men. By every barometer one can judge man by, we come out the less impressive sex.


At one time, men in primitive tribal societies were the warriors (as among Pre-Christian Germanic and Celtic tribes in Europe), and so they would go out to fight while he women would handle the everyday chores. Since western civilization has ended endemic violence in the third world of today, the men do nothing but, as you say, drink and hang out with the guys. Men either have no notion of what to do with themselves in traditional societies, or don't want to adjust.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I think its both. They don't know how to. And they don't want to.

Men need defined roles in society, and a need for something specific that their gender can provide.

They also do not know how to evolve in an environment where social dynamics is more heavily stressed.


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04 Nov 2012, 9:59 am

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Polygamy may not endorse free love but every time the question of polygamy comes up in today's society women respond by asking if a woman should be allowed to have two husbands.


Thats not 'free love'. Its polyandry.

There are some traditional societies in the world , parts of both southern india, and parts of Himalayan region, that actually have practiced polyandry as an option for centuries.

Usually its groups of brothers sharing a wife.

It evolved because of land tenure. The brothers dont have to split up the parents farm if they all set up one big household- to make a long story short.

If you have BOTH poyandry AND polygamy-than thats "group marriage". Dont know if they have that in any traditional society or not.



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04 Nov 2012, 11:08 am

I can't find anywhere in the bible which forbids polyandry but it is unprecedented probably because they did not have the technology to know who the father was. However a levirate marriage is a form of serial polyandry.

Today's technology offers interesting possibilities. In the story Starchild a woman clones her dead lover and becomes his surrogate mother. When the child grows the woman demands the right of a levirate marriage.