Suppose we switched from Patriarchy to Matriarchy?

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Is our society Patriarchal or Matriarchal?
Competely patriarchal 20%  20%  [ 7 ]
More patriarchal than matriarchal 51%  51%  [ 18 ]
Neither patriarchal nor matriarchal 20%  20%  [ 7 ]
More matriarchal than patriarchal 9%  9%  [ 3 ]
Completely matriarchal 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 35

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30 Oct 2012, 1:33 pm

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WHAT??! ! I'm offended by you conflating the killing of 12 million people (nevermind the soldiers who fought the Nazis and/or died of starvation in POW camps) with some discomfort in the dating game. Also that you so lightly bring up THE KILLING OF 12 MILLION+ PEOPLE as though it's nothing and just an anecdote. SHAME ON YOU!!


I don't care if you're offended. You're an idiot to be offended by that. I didn't say it was a good thing. In fact, the fact that it is a bad thing is exactly why I used it as an example. The principle is the same. Someone's blaming men alive today for things they weren't even around to witness, let alone put a stop to, so I point out how absurd it would be to tell the jews the same thing... AND rather than see how the situations are similar, you get stupidly offended by the fact that I brought up the holocaust. Were you even around for the holocaust? If not, then shut up.

Perhaps you'd be less offended if I brought up how some black people today think I need to apologize for slavery(again, something I wasn't around for and sure as hell wouldn't have supported if I was).

I wasn't around for the oppression of women. I don't agree with it, and if I would have been around for it, I would have stood up and said something about it because oppressing ANYBODY is WRONG. But I will NOT f*****g apologize for something I had nothing to do with. If you can't understand these simple things, well that's your stupid problem. I'm not responsible for your feelings. If you find something I said offensive, that's for you to deal with, not for me to take back what I said or apologize.



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30 Oct 2012, 1:37 pm

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WHAT??! ! I'm offended by you conflating the killing of 12 million people (nevermind the soldiers who fought the Nazis and/or died of starvation in POW camps) with some discomfort in the dating game. Also that you so lightly bring up THE KILLING OF 12 MILLION+ PEOPLE as though it's nothing and just an anecdote. SHAME ON YOU!!


You know, I'm sick and tired of people screaming offense and trying to shame other people. From now on, whenever someone tells me "What you said/did offends me" I make it a point to do that very thing again and again with increasing fervor, because I'm not at fault for saying or doing what I did, they are at fault for not having a thicker skin. Also, where did you get the number 12 million?


Thanks. It's good to know someone around here isn't insane besides me.



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30 Oct 2012, 1:43 pm

Actually in real life it was me that rejected her.



30 Oct 2012, 2:23 pm

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Actually in real life it was me that rejected her.




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30 Oct 2012, 2:41 pm

In real life she had a lot of boyfriends. She did not reject me per se but she rejected my demands for a monogamous relationship. What turned me off was that she treated one of her boyfriends like a door mat.



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30 Oct 2012, 4:12 pm

Would that be matriarchy, then?



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30 Oct 2012, 4:43 pm

What she was trying to do was to practice free love in a patriarchal society which would not work and she would be better off with traditional family values. However if a matriarchal society is the immortal utopian angelic society it claims to be then it would be ethical to practice free love because angels do not marry nor are angels given in marriage. The Bible prohibits whore mongering but angels argue that they are not whores because everyone loves one another and every ones needs are provided for.

Utopian societies like the Garden of Eden have a very high degree of sexuality which is called love and everyone prances around naked and they are not ashamed of their love. But even if a strip club calls itself the Garden of Eden you won't find paradise because it is not based on love but rather sex is sold as a commodity and the managers often prohibit love in favor of a business only sex worker ethic.



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30 Oct 2012, 6:34 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
What she was trying to do was to practice free love in a patriarchal society which would not work and she would be better off with traditional family values. However if a matriarchal society is the immortal utopian angelic society it claims to be then it would be ethical to practice free love because angels do not marry nor are angels given in marriage. The Bible prohibits whore mongering but angels argue that they are not whores because everyone loves one another and every ones needs are provided for.

Utopian societies like the Garden of Eden have a very high degree of sexuality which is called love and everyone prances around naked and they are not ashamed of their love. But even if a strip club calls itself the Garden of Eden you won't find paradise because it is not based on love but rather sex is sold as a commodity and the managers often prohibit love in favor of a business only sex worker ethic.


dancing on a stage, shaking your ass and boobies around =/= sex...



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30 Oct 2012, 6:46 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
What she was trying to do was to practice free love in a patriarchal society which would not work and she would be better off with traditional family values. However if a matriarchal society is the immortal utopian angelic society it claims to be then it would be ethical to practice free love because angels do not marry nor are angels given in marriage. The Bible prohibits whore mongering but angels argue that they are not whores because everyone loves one another and every ones needs are provided for.


No, what she was practicing was playing you for a fool for what I can only assume was a long period of time.

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Utopian societies like the Garden of Eden have a very high degree of sexuality which is called love and everyone prances around naked and they are not ashamed of their love. But even if a strip club calls itself the Garden of Eden you won't find paradise because it is not based on love but rather sex is sold as a commodity and the managers often prohibit love in favor of a business only sex worker ethic.


Sex has always been a commodity, it continues to be a commodity that is freely traded, it's just that the currency is a little different. If anything strip clubs and prostitutes just eliminate a lot of unneeded parts in the supply chain, and clear up the exchange rates, which I can appreciate from an efficiency standpoint.

If you look at it from my perspective, the whole "dating game" is just an exchange of displays of effort and effort for sex. It's human nature to try and obscure it from view, in the same way that religion parades around as a virtuous cause, rather than a means of population control. It's one of those questions I find myself asking myself, "If sex was freely available to any man who wanted it without dating, would any significant number of men bother with dating or relationships".



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30 Oct 2012, 10:31 pm

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That's what I say. Feminists want all the freedom and rights that men do, but none of the responsibilities. A man in our society has greater expectations, more responsibility, and less sympathy.


Please send me the address of this magic land.

I'm tired of being expected to work 10-12 hours a day to support myself.

I want some of this free money and the privileged lifestyle all of the other Western women supposedly have.


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31 Oct 2012, 12:22 am

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blackelk wrote:
That's what I say. Feminists want all the freedom and rights that men do, but none of the responsibilities. A man in our society has greater expectations, more responsibility, and less sympathy.


Please send me the address of this magic land.

I'm tired of being expected to work 10-12 hours a day to support myself.

I want some of this free money and the privileged lifestyle all of the other Western women supposedly have.


Nobody said anything about women not having to work, and you girls are the ones who wanted it that way anyway, so WOMAN up and deal with it.

I would maybe consider being nice about it, but in the spirit of equality, I decided to give you a response similar to what a man would get so you wouldn't feel like you were being treated unfairly.

Also, compared to women in the middle east and probably most third world nations, you ARE privileged. Just because we don't worship you like queens doesn't mean you're oppressed.



31 Oct 2012, 2:04 am

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blackelk wrote:
That's what I say. Feminists want all the freedom and rights that men do, but none of the responsibilities. A man in our society has greater expectations, more responsibility, and less sympathy.


Please send me the address of this magic land.

I'm tired of being expected to work 10-12 hours a day to support myself.

I want some of this free money and the privileged lifestyle all of the other Western women supposedly have.




It's called marriage, bb. If you aren't bad looking there is surely a man out there who will work 10-12 hours a day to support you so long as you spread your legs for him every night after he comes home to nice hot meal prepared by you.



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31 Oct 2012, 5:26 am

The average single income is not enough to support a family on in the U S these days. Most women, good looking or not, work out of necessity - just like men do.

@stadschutz: x files geek was sarcastically pointing out an inaccurate portrayal of women's lives, not complaining.



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31 Oct 2012, 5:48 am

AspieRogue wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
blackelk wrote:
That's what I say. Feminists want all the freedom and rights that men do, but none of the responsibilities. A man in our society has greater expectations, more responsibility, and less sympathy.


Please send me the address of this magic land.

I'm tired of being expected to work 10-12 hours a day to support myself.

I want some of this free money and the privileged lifestyle all of the other Western women supposedly have.




It's called marriage, bb. If you aren't bad looking there is surely a man out there who will work 10-12 hours a day to support you so long as you spread your legs for him every night after he comes home to nice hot meal prepared by you.



No, most men are pretty useless when it comes to the "Prince Charming" gig.

I've never met a man who was the least bit inclined, or even remotely capable of, supporting me financially. Oh, and most emotionally well-adjusted women have no interest in being whores, mmmkkkay?

Oh, I owe 3K on my car. You're a man, so, are you going to send me a check? Didn't think so.

Personally, I'd rather be a white male teenager living in a Western country. No expectations, no responsibilities, and enough free time to sit around on the internet all day complaining about how oppressed I am because my Mommy didn't buy me any Mountain Dew.


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31 Oct 2012, 5:49 am

DerStadtschutz wrote:
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blackelk wrote:
That's what I say. Feminists want all the freedom and rights that men do, but none of the responsibilities. A man in our society has greater expectations, more responsibility, and less sympathy.


Please send me the address of this magic land.

I'm tired of being expected to work 10-12 hours a day to support myself.

I want some of this free money and the privileged lifestyle all of the other Western women supposedly have.


Nobody said anything about women not having to work, and you girls are the ones who wanted it that way anyway, so WOMAN up and deal with it.

I would maybe consider being nice about it, but in the spirit of equality, I decided to give you a response similar to what a man would get so you wouldn't feel like you were being treated unfairly.

Also, compared to women in the middle east and probably most third world nations, you ARE privileged. Just because we don't worship you like queens doesn't mean you're oppressed.


Reading comprehension is fundamental.

And you're running out of straw.


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31 Oct 2012, 7:51 am

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Reading comprehension is fundamental.

And you're running out of straw.


my reading comprehension is just fine. You complained about having to work to support yourself. Welcome to the world men have been living in forever.

Then you said you want free money others supposedly have. Either you think others get free money and you're left out of the loop, or you're suggesting that western women AREN'T privileged, despite the fact that you're allowed to go out and do pretty much whatever you want. You're not required to have a man with you to leave the house, you are free to marry whomever you wish, and you're not forced to be covered from head to toe... On top of all of this, whenever you do get married, the man is generally expected to pay for the engagement ring, the wedding rings, and usually the rest of the wedding too, unless his or your parents have a bunch of money lying around for that purpose... How are you not privileged compared to places in the world where women really ARE oppressed, and where's the straw? It sounds to me like you think you're not privileged until you get to just live for free(which is how it used to be until you gals started complaining about it. Now you're complaining about having to work. Make up your damn mind) or are worshiped.

last time I checked, text has no tone, so I'd like to know how exactly I was supposed to tell that was sarcasm(not to mention the fact that as an aspie I have trouble with sarcasm anyway).

Since you think my reading comprehension is so flawed, would you care to elaborate exactly what it is I've misunderstood and maybe explain what you meant then?