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24 Nov 2012, 1:17 am

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Now that it has become fashionable for Fundies to love Israel to pieces, Dr. Duke probably doesn't have a prayer of winning the nomination.

Fundies traditionally don’t hold Jews that close to their hearts so I don’t think it’s that they love Israel to pieces so much as they respect Israel’s bravery and determination. That and of the two they’d much rather see Israel triumph over their neighbors than the other way around.

Traditionally, no. Now, they want Israel to triumph because they think that Jesus is going to return.

I think my theory has more merit. Fundies don't think (or won't accept) that Jesus was a Jew. Well, at least not a secular one.

Nah, they think God will reward them for standing with Israel when Christ returns. Check out they're theological tracts, which are so gushingly Pro-Zionist that they think even Christianity comes second to Jews.

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24 Nov 2012, 1:21 am

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It does, doesn't it?

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24 Nov 2012, 1:22 am

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David Duke might be in the running.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88AsArwYsTc[/youtube]

After watching Dave's campaign video with it's barely hidden racist and Antisemitic message, I have to ask: what exactly he a Doctor of, and what school gave him a degree?

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You'd find racism in a speech from Santa Claus.

Did you watch the video with your eyes closed? The only black face ever to appear was Barrack Obama, and he was shown in a negative light. Companies like Goldman-Sachs was talked about all the while a picture of their obviously Jewish CEO (Blankfein, I believe) was shown. AIPAC was spotlighted in regard to special interest and foreign spending - but no one else. When the supreme court was brought up, a Jewish caricature of a Clinton appointee appeared on screen. When poor people were discussed, only white people were shown. In fact, the only time when brown faces appeared, it had been those of dangerous looking alleged illegals, or foreigners coming to America to steal our jobs. And as for jobs and government contracts being given out on a merit system - how realistically can that be enforced, especially since employers can just say all non-white applicants weren't up to snuff?
This time, watch the video with your eyes open.

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I'll just bite on this little nugget since it stands out the most and I don't feel like taking the time to dissect every sentence, tempting as it may be.

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And as for jobs and government contracts being given out on a merit system - how realistically can that be enforced, especially since employers can just say all non-white applicants weren't up to snuff?

You either automatically assume that everyone is racist and must have the ax of "equal opportunity" hanging over their heads in order to do right OR you're stating, in a round-about way, that you believe that people of color aren't capable of standing on their own merit alone which is really kind of racist on your part.

Okay, I'll concede, I was wrong to imply that every employer is going to be racist. But considering the historic record, it's obvious that there are those who are.

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24 Nov 2012, 1:24 am

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And there are those that aren't.

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24 Nov 2012, 10:15 am

According to Media Matters, the Repugnicans' main problem is Fox News

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/20 ... -ha/191469

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Though prominent conservatives are now lashing out at the former presidential candidate, the truth is Fox News has loudly championed the divisive philosophy behind Romney's "47 percent" and "gifts" comments for months and practically authored them for the Republican candidate. Last week Fox talkers cheered Romney's "gifts" post-election critique, treating it as a universal truth. (According to Fox Business host Stuart Varney, Obama was "buying votes with taxpayer money. Handouts all over the place.")

And it's not just a Fox News problem. Republicans have an even more expansive right-wing media problem (television, radio, Internet, etc.), which now doubles as the face and voice of the GOP and which celebrates the kind of toxic "47 percent" and "gifts" rhetoric that's being condemned within the party. The far-right press is convinced Obama won re-election by "offering" voters a "check" in exchange for their support....

In fact, O'Reilly and Limbaugh rushed to take credit for Romney's "gifts" comments last week, since both of them had been pushing the "maker vs. taker" narrative in the wake of Romney's election loss.

The split over Romney's "gifts" remark highlights the larger divide within the conservative movement between two distinct camps: activists and politicians who want to get more Republicans elected vs. right-wing media players who want to grow their audience.

Note that after the Republican flop on Election Day, talk radio's Laura Ingraham dismissed conservative hand-wringers who worried about the political future by stressing that "talk radio continues to thrive while moderate Republicans like John McCain and to some extent Mitt Romney continue to lose presidential elections." That's how hosts like Ingraham view the political landscape. That's how they determine success and failure, not by tallying the wins and losses posted by Republicans candidates, but by counting up the number of radio stations that carry their syndicated show.

The same is true with Daily Caller editor Tucker Carlson. Asked why the conservative media completely failed in their attempt to "vet" Obama, who easily won re-election despite four years of hysterical, far-right claims about him, Carlson told BuzzFeed his publication's work had been a success because traffic to the site was up. (Carlson also blamed the "legacy media" for being hostile to his site's supposed "journalism.")....

Fox News has hijacked the party's communications apparatus and is pushing the type of paranoid, blame-the-voter rhetoric that loses elections, and the type of rhetoric Romney's now being blamed for. But the GOP can't turn it off. In fact, most Republicans can't even work up enough courage to ask Fox News to turn down the volume....

By the way, Fox News, and consequently the Republican Party, are not going to support Dr. Duke's overty White Supremacist doggerel, for one very obvious reason

Lots of rich old White dudes really dig young Oriental chicks.

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24 Nov 2012, 10:45 am

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We need a sane opposition. The insanity of the republicans this past four years is part of why Obama got away with things like using drones to kill American citizens. A two-party system is bad enough; a de facto one party system is even worse, even when you agree with some of what that one party says.

When and where has a UVA killed an American citizen. Be specific and cite reliable sources.

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overview:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Aulaqi
aftermath:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/world ... yemen.html
alternate sources:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-20113732.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09 ... ki-killed/

I don't know what 'UVA' stands for, but these strikes (al-Awlaki and his son) are what I was referring to. Was al-Awlaki a bad man? By all appearances, absolutely; however, I don't like the precedent set of assassinating a US citizen without a trial.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/3 ... 88397.html

My bad.. UAV. Unmanned air vehicle. Which american citizen was killed by one of these flying unmanned drones.

NAME HIM. NAME the location.

Islamic sources are tainted. Being sued does not mean one is at fault. anwar al awlaki is not a U.S. citizen.

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24 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm

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When and where has a UVA killed an American citizen. Be specific and cite reliable sources.

ruveyn

Anwar Al Awlaki was born New Mexico. His 16 year old son was born in Denver.

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24 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm

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Why is Anwar_al-Aulaqi even interesting?

Last time I checked, US drone attacks in Pakistan have killed between 1,908 and 3,375 individuals. But when the acting US president orders the killing of a *single* US citizen in Yemen - who is likely co-responsible for the Fort Hood shooting - then it's suddenly a problem :scratch:

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24 Nov 2012, 1:00 pm

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Anwar Al Awlaki was born New Mexico. His 16 year old son was born in Denver.

I am sure the drone pilot know the target of an american citizen. Drones can tell that at 20,000 feet in the air.

Let me get this straight. One person who was born in Denver was killed while fighting with and on behalf of Jihadi maniacs. Oh the shame, the shame!

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24 Nov 2012, 1:27 pm

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In the early days of the Republican primaries, polls showed that Huntsman was the only candidate moderate enough to have any chance of winning against Obama with independents. He was thrashed by the uber-conservative primary voters quickly.

We need a sane opposition. The insanity of the republicans this past four years is part of why Obama got away with things like using drones to kill American citizens. A two-party system is bad enough; a de facto one party system is even worse, even when you agree with some of what that one party says.

Ron Paul polled better

he was the only one that could win independents and liberals

Ron Paul wouldn't win liberals (or women in general) because he's anti-choice. You can't be a real libertarian and still want to have a government minder in the room every time a woman goes to see her Ob-Gyn.

Ron is an OB-GYN, he out of any Republican could speak intelligently on the birthing process. Protecting the life of the child is perfectly consistent libertarian principles.

The media made abortion out to be the most important issue this cycle and there were some dumb statements made but the attention paid to the issue was a deliberate misdirection from the Obama campaign/corporate media to stay off the topic of the crumbling economy, their pathetic record on civil liberties, and their own crony capitalism. Obama highlighted the issues abortion, immigration, and gay marriage to specifically target women, Hispanics, and young people. The latter two issues Obama made absolutely 0 effort on in his first term even tho he was in full control of government his first 2 years in office. It was brilliant as far a campaign strategy but goes to show you the lack of intelligence the electorate has. We live in the world of Rovian and Chicago style politics.

Mitt Romney, having no discernible differences in policy, obviously could not challenge Obama on these issues. If people thought Obama got his clock cleaned in the debates by Romney, then imagine what somebody that could actually talk intelligently about the real issues facing this country could do. Watching those debates made me and probably every one else that isn't brainwashed into cheerleading their side of the false right/left dichotomy want to pull their hair out.

Of course, the media declares who they want to have won the debate and the idiots usually believe it. A battle of personalities and body language and nothing more. In 2008, Obama was elected with the vague notion that he'd bring about 'change', I wonder if the American people would actually know what 'change' is if it was actually staring them in the face?

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24 Nov 2012, 1:37 pm

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Anwar Al Awlaki was born New Mexico. His 16 year old son was born in Denver.

Lets not forget before we started killing brown people, government's favorite boogeyman were anti-government 'angry white men', have you ever said anything that could be taken as subversive ruveyn? I sure hope not.

The precedence of having a 'kill list' of American citizens targeted for assassination with no due process is outrageous. They've already shredded our constitution with this War on Terror, it's not a huge leap for them to have a war on the American people. It's already started.

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24 Nov 2012, 1:45 pm

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Anwar Al Awlaki was born New Mexico. His 16 year old son was born in Denver.

Lets not forget before we started killing brown people, government's favorite boogeyman were anti-government 'angry white men', have you ever said anything that could be taken as subversive ruveyn? I sure hope not.

The precedence of having a 'kill list' of American citizens targeted for assassination with no due process is outrageous. They've already shredded our constitution with this War on Terror, it's not a huge leap for them to have a war on the American people. It's already started.

Once again, why the f**k is it relevant if the individual is an American citizen or not?

Someone somewhere apparently believes that only US lives have any worth...

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24 Nov 2012, 2:58 pm

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Jacoby wrote:

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Anwar Al Awlaki was born New Mexico. His 16 year old son was born in Denver.

Lets not forget before we started killing brown people, government's favorite boogeyman were anti-government 'angry white men', have you ever said anything that could be taken as subversive ruveyn? I sure hope not.

The precedence of having a 'kill list' of American citizens targeted for assassination with no due process is outrageous. They've already shredded our constitution with this War on Terror, it's not a huge leap for them to have a war on the American people. It's already started.

Once again, why the f**k is it relevant if the individual is an American citizen or not?

Someone somewhere apparently believes that only US lives have any worth...

They're both wrong. Obama's murdering of civilians isn't forgotten.

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24 Nov 2012, 4:41 pm

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They're both wrong. Obama's murdering of civilians isn't forgotten.

Killing of civilians. Civilians have always been killed in wars. It cannot be avoided.

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24 Nov 2012, 5:59 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

They're both wrong. Obama's murdering of civilians isn't forgotten.

Killing of civilians. Civilians have always been killed in wars. It cannot be avoided.

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Yes it can.

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24 Nov 2012, 6:01 pm

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They're both wrong. Obama's murdering of civilians isn't forgotten.

Killing of civilians. Civilians have always been killed in wars. It cannot be avoided.

ruveyn

Yes it can.

Bold claim by a 17 year old. Have you had any military training?

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