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22 Dec 2012, 1:25 am

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Hypocrite much? You involve my personal life in our overall interaction, too.


Then let's agree to not involve our personal lives in the discussion?

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So you're saying you don't fail in life?


Your not the one to make that call. You do not have the right to judge me or my actions.

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Atheism is regardless of what one believes about how to live one's life


Atheism is whatever the person decides. However meaningless or purposeless it may be. After all is that Atheism is all about? Doing whatever you want to do with no implications or consequences? After all, you decide the rules you want to follow anyway.

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And let's say there aren't any ultimate answers out there


Moral Absolutes provide those ultimate answers if your willing to look for them and search for them.

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And I'm too intellectually honest to just come up with my own answers.


Then your entire thread about "Converting over to Atheism" means absolutely nothing and has no value whatsoever.

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22 Dec 2012, 1:26 am

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And if you can't find it, then?


I've already found it.


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22 Dec 2012, 1:42 am

NAKnight wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
Hypocrite much? You involve my personal life in our overall interaction, too.


Then let's agree to not involve our personal lives in the discussion?


Then don't ask for it to happen.

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So you're saying you don't fail in life?


Your not the one to make that call. You do not have the right to judge me or my actions.


So you really don't fail in life? I don't know any human who doesn't.

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Atheism is regardless of what one believes about how to live one's life


Atheism is whatever the person decides. However meaningless or purposeless it may be. After all is that Atheism is all about? Doing whatever you want to do with no implications or consequences? After all, you decide the rules you want to follow anyway.


Atheism is lack of belief in God. That's it. Anything else is something else that may or may not correlate with atheism. There are atheists who accept moral absolutes while others don't. Atheists who believe in spirits, free will, etc.

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And let's say there aren't any ultimate answers out there


Moral Absolutes provide those ultimate answers if your willing to look for them and search for them.


What are the moral absolutes? And how do you know they're absolutes and not subjective?

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And I'm too intellectually honest to just come up with my own answers.


Then your entire thread about "Converting over to Atheism" means absolutely nothing and has no value whatsoever.


And this means what exactly?



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22 Dec 2012, 1:43 am

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And if you can't find it, then?


I've already found it.


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Yeah, sure. So, after all this interaction, you still haven't made clear what your position is exactly.



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22 Dec 2012, 1:50 am

What are you really wanting to accomplish dogging this out with me? Is there an result or action you would want me to do?
Do you realize how incredibly pointless it is that you and I are arguing and desperately trying to reach something?
What are we doing? This fighting is pointless. The discussion ended long ago.

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22 Dec 2012, 2:42 am

How about finally making clear what your position is then?



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22 Dec 2012, 8:32 am

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Well in that case, you obviously know more about my former religion than I do.


I probably do. As I was a former fundamentalist Christian who knew the Bible almost in and out. And I was crazy about it.


The operative word is "crazy". Now you are sane. Go forward in strength and prosperity.

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22 Dec 2012, 12:29 pm

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If it is true god or any other god exist its simple to stop praying as others will follow and the god or gods will lose power and cease to exist.


What religion believes it is possible to make God cease to exist by not praying to them?

I think you're confusing religious scripture and D&D sourcebooks.
Or wrath of the Titans! To kill a god stop believing since gods basicly in order to exist require belief gods seem to get their power from prayer and without it it wanes.


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22 Dec 2012, 12:52 pm

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If it is true god or any other god exist its simple to stop praying as others will follow and the god or gods will lose power and cease to exist.


What religion believes it is possible to make God cease to exist by not praying to them?

I think you're confusing religious scripture and D&D sourcebooks.
Or wrath of the Titans! To kill a god stop believing since gods basicly in order to exist require belief gods seem to get their power from prayer and without it it wanes.


The old Star Trek series had an episode based just on that: "Who Weeps for Apollo".

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22 Dec 2012, 2:02 pm

MCalavera wrote:
How about finally making clear what your position is then?


My position is no position. I'm not taking sides on either issue of the discussion but I am scrutinizing both sides.
Like I said before, it really doesn't matter what I believe. I'm not the one with the burden of proof, you are.
I have delivered my input into the discussion and I have concluded the reason you are Atheist is because of personal issues that you are failing to address. I know that because that is the root cause of our disagreement. As a result, you turned it on me out of response to fear or judgement or whatever the reason may be.

I don't object to you being an Atheist, personally, I care only enough to know the reason "why" you are one and that's it.
Superficial arguments or threads pertaining to those don't matter to me because I'm well in tuned to know that there might just be an underlying cause

That underlying cause is what I'm after, because that's where the true conditions of your "belief" or "non-belief" lie. That's all.


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22 Dec 2012, 6:25 pm

NAKnight wrote:
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How about finally making clear what your position is then?


My position is no position. I'm not taking sides on either issue of the discussion but I am scrutinizing both sides.
Like I said before, it really doesn't matter what I believe. I'm not the one with the burden of proof, you are.
I have delivered my input into the discussion and I have concluded the reason you are Atheist is because of personal issues that you are failing to address. I know that because that is the root cause of our disagreement. As a result, you turned it on me out of response to fear or judgement or whatever the reason may be.

I don't object to you being an Atheist, personally, I care only enough to know the reason "why" you are one and that's it.
Superficial arguments or threads pertaining to those don't matter to me because I'm well in tuned to know that there might just be an underlying cause

That underlying cause is what I'm after, because that's where the true conditions of your "belief" or "non-belief" lie. That's all.


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You're not being straightforward with me at all, and yet you accuse me of not being so myself.

To me, it does matter what position you are. And if you aren't willing to be be clear about it, then due to my own experiences with people who are vague about what they really believe, I'm going to take it as a red flag and consider you being deceptive until/unless you tell me the truth of what you believe. For now, even though you may not at all be religious (maybe), you are no different in style from a religious person who's hiding his actual beliefs so he could lure the gullible person into his religion/cult. I'm not saying you're trying to lure anyone into a cult, but the method is very similar and is deceiving.

As I said, it's personal in my case. But so is yours and every other person's. I don't believe in someone believing in or not believing in something without a personal motive. People don't just randomly do things like that.

And you have a personal issue with at least a lot of people being atheists as has been shown with your responses here with me and with some other member or two. Let's not pretend that you don't.



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22 Dec 2012, 8:03 pm

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And you have a personal issue with at least a lot of people being atheists as has been shown with your responses here with me and with some other member or two. Let's not pretend that you don't.


I don't, never implied that I did. I'll be fair to say that most Atheist I have met in my lifetime are Ass holes who are closet self-loathers who are looking for meaning in and otherwise meaningless life. So, there.

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To me, it does matter what position you are. And if you aren't willing to be be clear about it, then due to my own experiences with people who are vague about what they really believe, I'm going to take it as a red flag and consider you being deceptive until/unless you tell me the truth of what you believe.


Why should I tell you about the truth about what I believe? Just because it may be fundamentally different then yours are you going to ostracize and chastise me for it- Like you've done with others in the forum- so why should I really inform you to my beliefs? I really see no reason why, you've already chosen not to acknowledge what I've already said anyway.

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I don't believe in someone believing in or not believing in something without a personal motive.


Exactly, so whats you motive to becoming an Atheist?


How long do you want to drag this out? What are we really going to accomplish doing this? Absolutely nothing.
If you have some deep, intrinsic point to prove, say it. Otherwise, we are going to continue to dish it out over the web like two kids in a playground.


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22 Dec 2012, 8:25 pm

I've already explained my motives clearly. :roll:

Quit dancing around and start telling the truth.



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22 Dec 2012, 8:32 pm

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I've already explained my motives clearly. :roll:

Quit dancing around and start telling the truth.



No. I'm not going to be like you and post my entire life story online. Not going to happen.

The only motive I found from you is anger. Your aggravated at the world around you. Suck it up.


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22 Dec 2012, 9:15 pm

What anger exactly? If anything, I am relieved when it comes to these matters. I no longer feel trapped by superstitious beliefs.

And again, it seems like you are projecting. Maybe you are the one who's angry.

And I'm not even asking you for a life story. Just what your position is.

Now quit dodging and give me an honest answer.



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22 Dec 2012, 9:33 pm

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What anger exactly? If anything, I am relieved when it comes to these matters. I no longer feel trapped by superstitious beliefs.

And again, it seems like you are projecting. Maybe you are the one who's angry.

And I'm not even asking you for a life story. Just what your position is.

Now quit dodging and give me an honest answer.


......... No. You don't deserve an answer and I don't feel like spelling it out for you, so no. If you can't accept that and drop the issue, you have a personal problem. I choose to leave my personal life out of the discussion.


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