Verdict in Steubenville Case

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I have very complex feelings myself; I would have no problem personally putting a bullet in the head of a rapist, but I'm uneasy enough with a state sanctioned death penalty to oppose it universally. I just don't trust the system, and I'm fully aware that my emotional response is not necessarily the correct one.

Sex crimes are also at the very top of my list of actions not excusable under any circumstances, just edging out torture, as I can see people doing that for reasons that seem justified at the time (the ticking time-bomb scenario), though I personally don't feel that it's use is ever warranted. Murder I can justify, either in self defense or people who just need killing, stealing, for survival or to recover property that was itself stolen, assault, again self defense, but sex crimes don't have any situation in which they become just. Maybe genocide is worse, but that's not so much a situation for the justice system to deal with.

The bottom line though, is that my opposition to rape is so strong that I think even rapists need to be protected from it, if not the bullet to the head I personally feel they deserve. I'll readily admit though, it took me a long time to get to even this level of nuance on the matter, and I'm still more emotional on the subject than I'm really comfortable with.

because that is the only thing some people understand, the iron fist. some rapists have to be FORCED to not rape. solitary confinement would work here.

I would think that castrating them with anaesthetic and surgical instruments would accomplish that just as effectively.

Not every teen is going to do stupid or cruel things - and in fact, most don't. And sure, very possibly teen offenders might grow up to be good, responsible citizens - but adult offenders might also eventually become good people, as well. What they might be in later life doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished for any crimes they've committed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I once read about a thought experiment where you are a soldier in a rebel army. After a battle, you come across a civilian woman fleeing danger. Your commanding officer tells you to rape and murder the woman or be killed (and someone else will rape and kill the woman instead). In that situation you could try and minimise the pain done. Of course, it would probably be better to just shoot her straight away, assuming an escape attempt would be doomed.


I think it is safe to say most teenagers do stupid things. Most don't commit rape. I think sexual assault might be much more widespread than statistics show, a lot of my friends have been sexually assaulted in clubs (guys touching them inappropriately rather than rape, I should stress) but don't bother reporting it.

When saying most teens don't do stupid things, I was referring to the criminal sort. At least my friends and I never did anything harmfully illegal - short of underage drinking.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I never suggested that they shouldn't.

What I did suggest was that this designation exercises an ongoing punishment of its own which may act as far more of a deterrent than additional jail time.

Man pleads guilty to kidnapping and raping 16-year-old girl on her way home from school

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/201 ... appin.html

A woman who was raped by an officer who responded to her 911 call in 2010 has filed a civil suit.
http://www.wuwm.com/news/wuwm_news.php?articleid=12112

there are far more out there, just a simple quick search, to find reason after reason your husband is a jerk, and you decided that his jerkyness is OK. God help you if you ever do get attacked, because he thinks it's YOUR FAULT.
Goodness, most women avoid men like that.

Dear Visagrunt,

Thank you for clarifying...I misunderstood and thought that you considered this labeling to be unfair.

My personal belief is that anyone who can willingly participate in a set-up gang rape/public humiliation lasting for hours IS a potential danger, does have a streak of sexual violence, and anyone, potential employer, potential roommate, potential father-in-law,for instance, should be able to research the individual's history.

It took years to establish the child molesters registry in America because we want to forgive, we want to believe they won't re-offend, but we have the right to know what someone has been capable of, and base our decisions on any dangerous past history.

Two more football jocks have been arrested for rape of minors...two thirteen-year-old girls.

Already, their coach is downplaying, and blaming the victims.

And we hoped that Steubenville would have made a difference!

Sylkat

Are you aware that the currently available evidence suggests than sex offender registration has little or no effect on the prevalence of sex offences?

And that *publicly available* sex offender registries might even *increase* the number of sex offences?

Sources:
http://www0.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jr ... %20jle.pdf
http://crime.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ ... 086/658483

people who have been raped will understand how i feel about this subject.

in rare instances through DNA or other exculpatory evidence,inocent people have been sent to prison for crimes they didnt commit.castration is a hard punnishment to undo unlike a jail cell that simply opens.im sure these guys in ohio and connecticut are guilty but im sure you know the convictions of the central park rapists were overturned when the real rapist confessed,and DNA subsequentley validated the confesion.wrongfull convictions can happen

chemical castration then. that is reasonable. it is a legitimate prison management issue- can't have a humane prison with alpha bullies running amok, tearing new holes in omega punks.

I have been molested/abused for many years (12 years straight) and I just want to never see their faces again. I want to forget about them and never remember. Every now and then I have days where I'd like to personally hurt them. If something happened to them, it should be by my hand. Those days are few and far between and I don't generally wish for revenge. Those people are trash and I don't care what happens to them. Why should I concern myself with lowly people such as that?

Unfortunately, they got away with what they did to me and now many years have passed. They were able to escape any sort of legal punishment. Yes, they are family members. I haven't spoken to them in years and won't. When they die, I will go see their body for closure, which is the one thing I do need - to confirm that they are dead and gone from this world - and probably say some bad things upon seeing them for the last time.

I know in my heart I will feel better once they are dead.

Unfortunately, I still have to deal with my molester as I have no choice. I don't think he knows I remember. I've not even whispered a single word about it after all these years. Anyway, the point was supposed to be that I couldn't care less about "ripping balls out" or whatever, I just want to be free from these monsters forever. This is my personal viewpoint, as a survivor of abuse (I am no victim). Other survivors might think differently; we are all unique in our aftermath.

I have a chip on my shoulder because many people knew I was being abused as a child and no one ever said anything or told authorities. Police came to our home at least once a week, CFS came also, and no one helped me. So, to this day, I honestly feel no one cares about me or what happened to me wasn't bad enough to be cared about. Though I know how severe it was. My brain learned to forget and so I don't remember most of my life.

The people who stand around and do nothing are worse than the rapists, in my eyes, which are admittedly filled with bias.

Castration of rapists has been done before... it turned out even worse. These guys then became murderers and torturers in order to get the pleasure they were seeking...

Rapists aren't after sexual gratification - it's the power of domination and fear... Even if you removed their sexual desire, they'd still do it - or worse.

if they get caught raping or sexually victimizing/bullying a weaker inmate, then they should be chemically castrated until their sentence ends- or be put into solitary for the length of their sentence.