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15 Jul 2013, 9:06 pm

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The message that the Zimmerman acquittal sends is that its open season on loiterers or anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time, which i'm afraid to say, for the reasons that nominalist has stated earlier in the thread is going to mean more white-on-black shootings.

It’s pretty much common sense that if you are loitering in a neighborhood where you aren't known that you might draw attention, especially if there have been recent incidents in the neighborhood. If you have no business there, especially in a gated community, then move on through expeditiously. It would appear that Martin was not simply walking through or I seriously doubt Zimmerman would have paid much attention to him


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So Trayvon walked through the wrong neighbourhood while black in the rain.

Where did I say or even loosely imply anything about Martin being black? This is where your whole rant falls on it's ass but I'll go ahead and address the rest of it, line by line, just the same because I'm that kinda guy.

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This makes me sick.

Uh huh, and the way the liberal media and their puppets are stirring unrest and trying to milk a riot or two out of this makes me sick.

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I may have my toque over my eyes, but Americans need to deal with this issue before it implodes.

It's a non-issue being made an issue for the reasons stated above. What next, do you want to try the defense for taking the case? The judge for not holding the jury in contempt for not rendering a more convenient guilty verdict? The prosecution for purposely throwing the case so Zimmerman would walk away free? The jury for rendering a verdict based on the evidence and testimony presented to them in a court of law, not by the media, in a BLUE state were Mickey Mouse, Pluto, and Donald Duck live?

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Black Americans of Trayvon's age are dealing with their ancestry of persecution and slavery.

We all have an ancestry of persecution and slavery and most of us have gotten over it. Really, that slave and persecution thingy has withstood about as much over-use as it can take. Time to move on, doncha think?

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Zimmerman profiled Martin, picked a fight with him, lost and shot his opponent.

Got evidence? The prosecution didn't but you do?

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This is not over; if you think it is you are cherry picking.

The liberals and the media would never allow it to be over.

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America kept slaves.

Sure did, 148+ years ago. You know anyone that old? I don't.

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A war decided they were wrong.

Yes, the war that crushed the southern rebellion also freed the slaves if that's what you mean.

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Now there is a huge black population with a lot of animosity (and I think rightfully.)

Yes, all the African Americans that are over 148 years old do indeed have a bone to pick with their former masters who are also over 148 years old by a good margin.

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Deal with the wrongs you have done.

Lets see; slavery and segregation are both before my time but I've done wrong?
My ancestors didnt even have anything to do with either but I've still done wrong. Sure, okay. :roll:

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You are a powerful country.

And how! :D

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If you fall, you will affect the world.

We won't, but even if we did it won't be on account of anything you seem to be concerned with in this thread.

If you want to tackle racism in the United States, start with the people you claim are being persecuted in the 21st century.
I had honestly hoped these Zimmerman threads would not turn into a racial quagmire but I guess I was being very naive. :?


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15 Jul 2013, 9:27 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
I'll keep it short:

US has lost the privilege to claim not to be a country full of racist s**ts.


I see white demonstrators that believe justice was not served.Are they also racist s**ts?
I think Zimmerman should have been found guilty,am I a rascists s**t?
Are the white people that fought for civil rights in the 60's racist s**ts?


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15 Jul 2013, 9:48 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
I'll keep it short:

US has lost the privilege to claim not to be a country full of racist s**ts.


I see white demonstrators that believe justice was not served.Are they also racist s**ts?
I think Zimmerman should have been found guilty,am I a rascists sh**?
Are the white people that fought for civil rights in the 60's racist s**ts?


Vexcalibur is trolling but he won't get a TOS for it, I will for pointing it out.
That aside, what evidence was presented that made Zimmerman guilty?
The media's wants and what's in your heart are not evidence, BTW......


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15 Jul 2013, 10:15 pm

^^^I watched some of the trial,my opinion is he is guilty,I know that it does not count for anything.You know what they say about opinions,like a certain anatomy part,everyone has one.Sometimes the guilty go free,OJ,Casey Anthony for example.


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16 Jul 2013, 6:34 am

Anyone claiming that race has nothing to do with the case is an utter fool. Imagine if the story was about a black man shooting an unarmed white teenager. Yeah right. The guy would already have been fried in the electric chair.

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White supremacy has taught him that all people of color are threats irrespective of their behavior. Capitalism has taught him that, at all costs, his property can and must be protected. Patriarchy has taught him that his masculinity has to be proved by the willingness to conquer fear through aggression; that it would be unmanly to ask questions before taking action.

Mass media then brings us the news of this in a newspeak manner that sounds almost jocular and celebratory, as though no tragedy has happened, as though the sacrifice of a young life was necessary to uphold property values and white patriarchal honor. Viewers are encouraged to feel sympathy for the white male home owner who made a mistake. The fact that this mistake led to the violent death of an innocent young man does not register; the narrative is worded in a manner that encourages viewers to identify with the one who made the mistake by doing what we are led to feel we might all do to “protect our property at all costs from any sense of perceived threat.”

This is what the worship of death looks like.



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I see white demonstrators that believe justice was not served.Are they also racist s**ts?
Some of them might.


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I think Zimmerman should have been found guilty,am I a rascists sh**?
Are the white people that fought for civil rights in the 60's racist s**ts?


Maybe.
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I didn't say all of America is racist s**ts. But certainly most of it is. If, in a country that brags about being democratic, most of its people weren't racist s**ts, then a man who himself declared to have killed an unarmed black teen just because he "assumed" he was a threat would go to prison. Actually, Texas being a death penalty state, he should have been executed.

In a country not full of racist s**ts, this verdict wouldn't ever happen.


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16 Jul 2013, 6:53 am

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Anyone claiming that race has nothing to do with the case is an utter fool. Imagine if the story was about a black man shooting an unarmed white teenager. Yeah right. The guy would already have been fried in the electric chair.

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I see white demonstrators that believe justice was not served.Are they also racist s**ts?
Some of them might.


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I think Zimmerman should have been found guilty,am I a rascists sh**?
Are the white people that fought for civil rights in the 60's racist s**ts?


Maybe.
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I didn't say all of America is racist s**ts. But certainly most of it is. If, in a country that brags about being democratic, most of its people weren't racist s**ts, then a man who himself declared to have killed an unarmed black teen just because he "assumed" he was a threat would go to prison. Actually, Texas being a death penalty state, he should have been executed.

In a country not full of r


Yeah maybe back in the early 20th century. Let's say it was a race deal he is claimed to be Afro-Peruano. The only racism I see here is a Black on Black crime. Again and I'm starting to sound like a broken record but I am Latino I have and Afro-Latino family and I can see some slight racial tensions if any because most Afro-Latinos do not want any affiliation with African-Americans because of their HUGE cultural differences. Most Afro-Latinos that come to the US are automatically put into the Black pool and like most stereo type like the profiling him a criminal "because he is black" applies to them. So they already have this false perception that they have to overcome. So yes I can see the racial tension if any. But I still don't see that as a motive to kill here. He doesn't hate him because the color of his skin. He is angry at the perception his race has to overcome because of thugs like him. So if we are in fact sticking with he is Afro-Peruano then yes I know first hands from family members the cultural tension brewing between the two.



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16 Jul 2013, 6:58 am

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Black Americans of Trayvon's age are dealing with their ancestry of persecution and slavery.


Um. No. They are not. It's in the past. It is the agitators in the black community (Sharpton/Jackson) who feed each new generation on past hate that keeps it alive...not anything white people are doing.

Every day, there is a black on black GENOCIDE going on in major cities (including Obama's home town of Chicago), and NOTHING is really being done about it. When was the last time you saw the black community enraged at the dozens of black CHILDREN that have been laid to rest from this strife?

I thought so.



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16 Jul 2013, 7:58 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
I'll keep it short:

US has lost the privilege to claim not to be a country full of racist s**ts.


You must be referring to the testimony of Rachel Jeantel when she testified that Trayvon referred to Zimmerman as a "creepy a$$ cracker".

I agree that is pretty racist and offensive.



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16 Jul 2013, 8:20 am

I think its pretty normal to be offending against people, that are following you like pervert bastard that seek the perfect situation to assault you. Thats what you are told in self-defense lections - to show the pervert by all means that you are no cute, whining honey-bunny. But yop, there seem to be nations, that think its better if woman dont dare to defend themselves, and dont dare to go out of the house without sufficient male relatives guarding her.



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16 Jul 2013, 8:25 am

Really Vexacaliber,you think that the white people that marched for civil rights might be racist?You do know some of them died for their belief.You must live in some golden utopia where everyone loves each other.

http://www.splcenter.org/civil-rights-m ... ts-martyrs

You will see some white faces,be shocked that some of us give a damm.


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16 Jul 2013, 8:27 am

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I think its pretty normal to be offending against people, that are following you like pervert bastard that seek the perfect situation to assault you. Thats what you are told in self-defense lections - to show the pervert by all means that you are no cute, whining honey-bunny. But yop, there seem to be nations, that think its better if woman dont dare to defend themselves, and dont dare to go out of the house without sufficient male relatives guarding her.


You know what else they teach in self defense. When you get the upper hand to get the hell out of there not straddle yourself over the assailant and go whaling on his ass. Naw if this started off as self defense on the young kids part it didn't stay that way.



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16 Jul 2013, 8:36 am

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I think its pretty normal to be offending against people, that are following you like pervert bastard that seek the perfect situation to assault you. Thats what you are told in self-defense lections - to show the pervert by all means that you are no cute, whining honey-bunny. But yop, there seem to be nations, that think its better if woman dont dare to defend themselves, and dont dare to go out of the house without sufficient male relatives guarding her.


I was unaware of the social rule that its OK to use racial slurs if your being followed. I'll keep that in mind.

He stated over the phone so Zimmerman didn't hear it, so it wasn't to show he wasn't a cute whining honey bunny.



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16 Jul 2013, 8:42 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
I'll keep it short:

US has lost the privilege to claim not to be a country full of racist s**ts.


I find Europe is far more racist than America. Not that its perfect here. I get there somewhat frequently for weddings in the family and then tour around. Lets put it this way, I am from Missouri in the conservative red-neck bible belt, I wear overalls, and cowboy boots and I drive a pick-up truck. I have been shocked by some of the stuff I have seen in Europe; racial slurs spray painted on buildings, neo Nazi groups roaming around. I don't even see that stuff where I am from.

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16 Jul 2013, 8:46 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
I'll keep it short:

US has lost the privilege to claim not to be a country full of racist s**ts.


The U.S. is very racist. Its westward expansion was promoted by attempted genocide on the aboriginal people of the continent. WW 2 was a war among racist countries. Germany, Japan and the U.S. The British also have been extremely racist in their past. Look at what Britain did to India. Not only did Britain attempt to squeeze India dry, but the Brits kept calling the Indian folk, Wogs.

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16 Jul 2013, 8:57 am

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I was unaware of the social rule that its OK to use racial slurs if your being followed. I'll keep that in mind.

He stated over the phone so Zimmerman didn't hear it, so it wasn't to show he wasn't a cute whining honey bunny.


My english is not perfect, but due to video games, I normally understand at least most of offending slang.

creepy = a person that is giving me the creeps = a person that is frightening me ?

aXXcracker = a person that I suggest to prefer "backside entertainment" = a person that I suggest to be interested into having sexual contact with my backside ?

If aXXcracker is used only on white people, I didnt know now. For my understanding a creepy asscracker would have been someone, that is somehow acting unnormal and frightening to me, which is pretty simple if he was stalking me, and that lets me suggest that he wants to be interested in having sexual contact with my ass, which is also pretty simple if someone was stalking me. Yo yes, from my opinion, if you dont want to get offended, dont stalk people like a crazy, pervert bastard, because its pretty normal that if you stalk them like a crazy, pervert bastard, that they might think that you are a crazy, pervert bastard. Gotta say, thats what I would think if a crazy, pervert bastard would stalk me like a crazy, pervert bastard would do.



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16 Jul 2013, 9:12 am

Schneekugel wrote:
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I was unaware of the social rule that its OK to use racial slurs if your being followed. I'll keep that in mind.

He stated over the phone so Zimmerman didn't hear it, so it wasn't to show he wasn't a cute whining honey bunny.


My english is not perfect, but due to video games, I normally understand at least most of offending slang.

creepy = a person that is giving me the creeps = a person that is frightening me ?

aXXcracker = a person that I suggest to prefer "backside entertainment" = a person that I suggest to be interested into having sexual contact with my backside ?

If aXXcracker is used only on white people, I didnt know now. For my understanding a creepy asscracker would have been someone, that is somehow acting unnormal and frightening to me, which is pretty simple if he was stalking me, and that lets me suggest that he wants to be interested in having sexual contact with my ass, which is also pretty simple if someone was stalking me. Yo yes, from my opinion, if you dont want to get offended, dont stalk people like a crazy, pervert bastard, because its pretty normal that if you stalk them like a crazy, pervert bastard, that they might think that you are a crazy, pervert bastard. Gotta say, thats what I would think if a crazy, pervert bastard would stalk me like a crazy, pervert bastard would do.


Cracker is the derogatory for White. Not as harsh as the "N" word mainly because white's weren't oppressed with that word but still it caries a racist slur non the less.

By the way stalking is a distinctive form of criminal activity composed of a series of actions that taken individually might constitute legal behavior. For example, sending flowers, writing love notes, and waiting for someone outside her place of work are actions that, on their own, are not criminal. That is the legal definition. So if this is a concerned citizen trying to stop a crime then he is not stalking. People need to distinguish between inquiry and stalking. Girls especially because any guy interested in a girl is a "stalker".