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02 Oct 2013, 7:35 pm

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Dox doesn't care about these 'peripheral' issues. What matters is who unflinchingly supports the rights of paranoid hobbyists and their toys. All other issues are unimportant and unworthy of attention. In fact, you're arrogant just for suggesting such!

yes, you are right. :hmph:



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02 Oct 2013, 7:47 pm

It looks like the Republican led House is further along on the budget than the Democratic led Senate: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/approp/app14.html.



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02 Oct 2013, 7:54 pm

And who refused to vote on the budget last year? From http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/:

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A budget resolution based on President Obama’s 2013 budget failed to get any votes in the Senate on Wednesday.

In a 99-0 vote, all of the senators present rejected the president’s blueprint.

It’s the second year in a row the Senate has voted down Obama’s budget.

Obama's 2012 budget failed 97 to 0 last May after Obama himself last April said he wanted deeper deficit cuts.

The House earlier this year unanimously rejected Obama's budget.
In other words, the President can't even submit a budget that is acceptable to his own party and you don't think that he has anything to do with it?



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02 Oct 2013, 9:28 pm

No, he doesn't. The Republicans are acting like spoiled, vindictive children in this matter. They had lost the election, but still strive to make this president's legacy a failure. That's what destroying Obamacare is really all about, and thus the government shutdown, too.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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02 Oct 2013, 10:28 pm

The religious right just sent me mail telling me that the Socialist Obama Care will force all Christian Doctors to perform abortions. This is the cause of the government shut down.



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02 Oct 2013, 10:30 pm

"...vast right wing conspiracy..."



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02 Oct 2013, 10:32 pm

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The religious right just sent me mail telling me that the Socialist Obama Care will force all Christian Doctors to perform abortions. This is the cause of the government shut down.


Goes to show you how the right will lower themselves by lying to make people hate the Affordable Care Act.

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02 Oct 2013, 10:39 pm

The religious right will say that if you do not believe their lies about Obama Care then you are not a Christian and you are going to hell.



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02 Oct 2013, 10:42 pm

if the religious righties tell me that rot, I will tell them THEY can go to hell!



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02 Oct 2013, 10:53 pm

Glenn Beck said it on Fox News so he must be right about that evil Obama Care.



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02 Oct 2013, 11:10 pm

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They are at a bit of an impasse. One side wants changes and the other refuses to even think of changing anything.

In any event, this isn't a budget, it is a continuing resolution to fund the government in the absence of a budget.

Actually, that's not quite true; the impasse isn't about 'changes' to the law, it's about defunding the law entirely.



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02 Oct 2013, 11:13 pm

the right wing refuses to even use honest language in what they are doing, they are spinning things their way. when I hear that cantor guy twist things around I just wanna hurl. I can't jump up and change the channel fast enough. they accuse the other side of "refusing to negotiate" when THEY are the ones continually trying to kill obamacare.



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02 Oct 2013, 11:18 pm

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No, he doesn't. The Republicans are acting like spoiled, vindictive children in this matter. They had lost the election, but still strive to make this president's legacy a failure. That's what destroying Obamacare is really all about, and thus the government shutdown, too.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You do realize, don't you, that the Republicans won quite a number of Congressional races. Are you suggesting that our elected representatives should forget about their principles and vote for whatever the President says?

When George Bush was President, were you of the opinion that the Democrats in Congress who opposed him and his plans should have just done whatever he wanted them to do?

Or does that only apply to Republicans when a Democrat was elected President and not to Democrats when a Republican is elected President?



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02 Oct 2013, 11:19 pm

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You do realize, don't you, that the Republicans won quite a number of Congressional races.


Gotta love gerrymandering. Politician choose you!


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02 Oct 2013, 11:21 pm

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You do realize, don't you, that the Republicans won quite a number of Congressional races.


Gotta love gerrymandering. Politician choose you!

:oops: in that case we have met the enemy, and he is us.



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02 Oct 2013, 11:24 pm

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eric76 wrote:
You do realize, don't you, that the Republicans won quite a number of Congressional races.


Gotta love gerrymandering. Politician choose you!

:oops: in that case we have met the enemy, and he is us.


A lot of these guys are simply unelectable without rigging the system through partisan redistricting. The Southern Dems have done it too but not nearly as prolifically as the Republicans


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