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I am not sure what I said that implied something other than humans were doing the murdering. I was responding to someone talking about gun deaths in developed nation and which nation has the most...and trying to point out that even without guns people murder each other so being a developed nation with virtually no guns wouldn't solve the problem in that nation.

As we point out the similarities between humans and the lower animals, I must sadly note that humans are the only animal that has a choice of choosing to live like the lower animals or to raise himself up to glorious heights, and our NT society has chosen the lower road. Breaks my heart.

I considered the dissagreement over developed or undeveloped nations for gun deaths not meaningful for gun murder and thus obfuscating the topic of murder by gun. It's putting the focus off the fact that individual humans are the ones pulling the trigger on the firearms and making the choice to do so, and instead putting it on geo-political constructs. This isn't to say that Nation states are not contributing to their murder rates through policy, but the nation state is not the only contributing factor. In the end no one actually has to go through with murder. It's a human choice to murder and it doesn't even matter what with. Ignoring this and nitpicking over developed and undeveloped is a non-issue. Both developed and undeveloped countries contain the humans, and it's humans that murder.

That's literally what the entire thread is about. The question was not "why do people shoot each other?" it was "why do *Americans* shoot each other?". The assumption being that Americans actually do shoot more people than other countries. It's inherently a question about what role national government plays in murder statistics.