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26 Feb 2014, 11:59 am

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http://tribuneherald.net/2013/08/23/kkk-wins-lawsuit-against-bakery-for-discrimination/


Well, as disgusting as the Klan are, they ought to still be given equal access and treatment under the law. I hate to concede this point, but that KKK douche bag deserved to win - - but I'm sure he also deserves to be punched in the testicles till he loses consciousness.


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26 Feb 2014, 6:09 pm

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What if they wanted to not serve autistic people or people with other disabilities . . . would that be acceptable too to protect their freedom of religious expression? Or are the disabled a group that needs special protection from society that gay people don't?


Bingo. Unless you can make eye contact with the cashier, expect to be turned away.



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26 Feb 2014, 6:23 pm

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Well, as disgusting as the Klan are, they ought to still be given equal access and treatment under the law. I hate to concede this point, but that KKK douche bag deserved to win - - but I'm sure he also deserves to be punched in the testicles till he loses consciousness.


I'll give you this, you're consistent. Suppose there were a bakery owned by a Holocaust survivor. Would you force him to make a cake with swastikas on it, if that's what a neo-Nazi customer wanted?



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26 Feb 2014, 6:25 pm

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I've heard on CNN just today that Gov. Brewer may in fact veto the bill. Keep your fingers crossed!


That would be the rational thing to do.


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26 Feb 2014, 6:28 pm

luanqibazao wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, as disgusting as the Klan are, they ought to still be given equal access and treatment under the law. I hate to concede this point, but that KKK douche bag deserved to win - - but I'm sure he also deserves to be punched in the testicles till he loses consciousness.


I'll give you this, you're consistent. Suppose there were a bakery owned by a Holocaust survivor. Would you force him to make a cake with swastikas on it, if that's what a neo-Nazi customer wanted?


That's a completely different context in that in the baker would object to the behavior of the customer in asking for a swastika cake not to the fact the customer is a neo-nazi. fail...



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26 Feb 2014, 6:30 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, as disgusting as the Klan are, they ought to still be given equal access and treatment under the law. I hate to concede this point, but that KKK douche bag deserved to win - - but I'm sure he also deserves to be punched in the testicles till he loses consciousness.


I'll give you this, you're consistent. Suppose there were a bakery owned by a Holocaust survivor. Would you force him to make a cake with swastikas on it, if that's what a neo-Nazi customer wanted?


What cyberdad said.


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26 Feb 2014, 6:32 pm

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What if they wanted to not serve autistic people or people with other disabilities . . . would that be acceptable too to protect their freedom of religious expression? Or are the disabled a group that needs special protection from society that gay people don't?


Yes this obvious fact seems to be lost on posters such as Dox47...he seems to think it's a god given right for Americans to discriminate against whom they like. Honestly how would he feel if he was kicked out of shop because the owner knew he had Aspergers? He'd probably ditch the "critical thinking" BS...



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26 Feb 2014, 6:38 pm

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That's a completely different context in that in the baker would object to the behavior of the customer in asking for a swastika cake not to the fact the customer is a neo-nazi. fail...


So he can refuse to make a swastika cake, but can't refuse to do business with a uniformed Nazi. Gotcha.

Just trying to figure out the rules here. It seems pretty arbitrary to me.

Why even allow gays to marry, if not because adults have the right to form non-rights-violating contracts with each other as they please?



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26 Feb 2014, 7:14 pm

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Yes this obvious fact seems to be lost on posters such as Dox47...he seems to think it's a god given right for Americans to discriminate against whom they like. Honestly how would he feel if he was kicked out of shop because the owner knew he had Aspergers? He'd probably ditch the "critical thinking" BS...


You're an even worse psychic than you are a (non)critical thinker, and that's saying something. It is the right of every person to choose who they do and do not associate with, no God necessary, and that natural right should in my opinion extend into the realm of business. If someone doesn't want to take my money because I'm autistic, that's their loss, not mine, I'll just take my money down the street, or online to Amazon, it's no sweat off my nose.

Incidentally, the fact that you think critical thinking is BS speaks volumes about you, not that it's not obvious anyway from the content of your posts.


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26 Feb 2014, 7:16 pm

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It is the right of every person to choose who they do and do not associate with, no God necessary, and that natural right should in my opinion extend into the realm of business. If someone doesn't want to take my money because I'm autistic, that's their loss, not mine, I'll just take my money down the street, or online to Amazon, it's no sweat off my nose.

What if no one would serve you because you were autistic?


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26 Feb 2014, 7:32 pm

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What if no one would serve you because you were autistic?


I'm not going to play an endless game of "what if?" with ridiculous hypotheticals, but I will say that what I would not do is call upon the state to force people to serve me at gunpoint.


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26 Feb 2014, 7:37 pm

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What if no one would serve you because you were autistic?


I'm not going to play an endless game of "what if?" with ridiculous hypotheticals, but I will say that what I would not do is call upon the state to force people to serve me at gunpoint.

So you find the state to be a bigger threat than mankind unchecked? The way things are going in the States (from an outsider's view) make me sympathetic with this view. I don't feel threatened by my government (Canada) in this way. I think the state is necessary to keep order and a sense of public cohesion that keeps things functioning (although it does seem kind of like a fake existence some times. Like everyone is going to collectively lose it, but so far this hasn't happened.)


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26 Feb 2014, 8:15 pm

The bill was vetoed about 30 minutes ago.


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26 Feb 2014, 8:57 pm

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The bill was vetoed about 30 minutes ago.


HOOZAHS!! !!


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26 Feb 2014, 9:03 pm

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Ann2011 wrote:
What if no one would serve you because you were autistic?


I'm not going to play an endless game of "what if?" with ridiculous hypotheticals, but I will say that what I would not do is call upon the state to force people to serve me at gunpoint.


Again, Jim Crow only ended with federal intervention, and that includes anyone being able to eat or shop where ever they please. Who else would have done this? The local and state government? They were the ones enforcing the abomination of segregation. The local white population? The local and state governments were simply carrying out their will. I guess that only leaves the federal government to do the right thing.


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27 Feb 2014, 12:30 am

Dox47 wrote:
If someone doesn't want to take my money because I'm autistic, that's their loss, not mine, I'll just take my money down the street, or online to Amazon, it's no sweat off my nose.


So in theory the business is shooting itself in the foot by not taking your money...would you not feel inconvenienced that you now have to go somewhere else to buy something? not everything is on sale on Amazon...

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Incidentally, the fact that you think critical thinking is BS speaks volumes about you, not that it's not obvious anyway from the content of your posts.


I was speaking in the context of you using critical thinking as a cover for your belief that people are entitled to discriminate against clients who don;t meet their ideals of what a human being should be...