Cat-calling is harmless flattery...

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A catcall is really more related to mockery. It's a way of cheapening someone.

I understand but can you answer some of the questions in my previous posts?

This is really interesting to me and frustrating at the same time because its as if gross creepy men are ruining it for the rest of us normal men. Now we have to be extremely careful and crafty if we want positive reactions from women.

Last edited by geometrictunneling on 27 Nov 2014, 6:14 pm, edited 2 times in total.

This = News.
News = rare.
This = rare.

Get over it.
Stop letting News Drama-Panic Mongering define your interpretation of what to expect if a guy likes you.

Or
Keep going with it cuz itza good never-ending trolling topic...

This is so completely untrue.
How unfortunately clueless.

Poor form.
You don't like it so you slap a "it musta be a trollin' topik!" sticker on it?

Booo.

The half-assed application of "OH NOES TROLLING" is a prime example of "it's never happened to me, so stop your whimpering".

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No, you will. Well, maybe you won't. I will, and be wondering if I can outrun them or not if they turn out to be unpredictably violent and/or aggressive. Cat-calling is not just done by frustrated old men, it can lead to violence- did you read the first post or just jump in with both idiot feet here to join in the tussle?

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1401b,
I hope you have no mother, sister, aunt, daughter, female cousin, female friends, girlfriends... basically any females you care about at all. You probably don't want to know what actually goes through their head as a constant in regards to how safe they do or do not feel when some random guy [or a group of them] yells at them on the street.

For me? I get to decide what I need to do in case their actual goal is to violate me- because there is no way to know that is not the end goal. It is a very reasonable fear.
Many women who haven't ended up in that specific situation actually feel they must strategize like that.

Many men as well.



Well, great! So what does go through your head when you catcall, 1401b?

Just kidding! TROLOLOLOLOLOL, right 1401b? That's what it's all about. I don't need to tell you that.

Last edited by SignOfLazarus on 27 Nov 2014, 7:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I'm not sure where you are finding fault here.
I can be as empowered and independent as I want- if someone is simply stronger than me and intent on harm all the confidence in the world won't make me able to overcome that. There is a wall when it comes to physical strength, even if I have ways to improve my chances. There is a point where I wouldn't win.

I don't know why that is a bizarre idea. Have you not been in that kind of situation or feared you might be?

Well, there are psychopathic, paranoid, crazy women who leave men thinking that all women must be crazy.

There are narcissistic scum who take pleasure in treating every man who talks to them or looks at them as if he must be hitting on them, regardless of what he is doing, and they have a giant chip on their shoulder. Does this ruin things for others? Yes.

There are women who will call security or the cops on you for no reason at all or sic 300 Lb. gorillas on you just for the pleasure of someone "coming to her rescue" or something, particularly if you are weird or autistic.

There are women who are emotional vampires.

Self-centered, shallow and materialistic.

A lot of women marry affluent, clueless men just so they can get a fat divorce settlement later.

Yes, unpleasant and selfish people ruin things for everyone else. It is the reason that we can't all just trust each other without giving it a second's thought. That makes me very sad. I can't really do much to change it.

Or you could just be real. Be yourself. If a woman won't take you as you are today, then she won't take you as you are 40 years from now. If that means a lot of women finding you to be weird and creepy, then just hold out for the one who actually loves you for that.

You are not going to make everybody happy with you, and the fact is that you are going to offend a lot of people over the course of being an honest and true person. A lot of women may even think that you are a lot of things that you are not. Do not feel entitled for women to really be into you. You are not. A lot of them are really arrogant, self-entitled, judgmental morons, anyway, who will rob you blind under the pretense of being "high-maintenance." Not everyone is meant for you, and if you do something stupid like pretending to be more affluent than you actually are, then you're asking for trouble.

A lot of times, it's not you, but it's them. They won't admit it, but it's true. A lot of times, you might have approached a woman with nothing but good intentions, and she treated you like you were some abomination. You might have even had women call the law on you for trying to say something genuinely nice. Wow! I could have told you the world is full of judgmental morons with bankrupted values YEARS ago. I could have told you TWO DECADES ago. A lot of times, people see that you are different and assume that you are a bad person, and you cannot let the blindness of other people control how you see yourself.

But to be your real self, you have to make an investment of trust in someone, and when you make that investment of trust, you can get really hurt. It's a hard thing to do. It's hard thing to open ourselves up to the possibility of being misjudged or abused. That trust, though, is what really serves as the foundation of a bond between you and another person.

The kinds of men who issue catcalls, though, are not looking for a date. They might enjoy having someone to use for a while, but they don't really have much capacity in them for love. Maybe it's hard for you to see another person as a thing to be used, but it's all some people know.

Ah thanks so its just out of physical fear of men that women are careful, sounds deep routed in evolution. Unfortunate its that way. I hear women talking about gross creepy men all the time so I started to wonder if women even want men anymore.

I always thought us men were more afraid of women...

SignOfLazarus, I started typing out a long, in-depth response to your last post, but I've decided to abandon that. Your intention of baiting me into bickering over trivialities rather than discussing the issue at hand is pretty self-evident, and I have better things to do with my time.

Well, of course not. No one is obligated to explain anything they say at all, but nevertheless, it is a sign of profound immaturity to make a point in an open debate, refuse to respond to someone who has challenged that point, and instead quote them out of context before spewing a load of (poorly) manufactured moral outrage over some irrelevant triviality as justification for your refusal to engage in discourse with them.

Rather than admitting that you were mistaken or explaining your point further, you've decided to behave like a cowardly, dishonest brat, and I won't be wasting any more time on you.

Do some people truly not understand that catcalling is obnoxious behavior?

No it is entirely true. You do not cat call someone you deeply respect.

They don't understand at all.

If women don't like it, if it makes them uncomfortable in any way then men should stop doing it, period.
That is what respect is, otherwise it is completely in disregard of most women's feelings which in turn is extremely disrespectful and degrading.

We have a right to voice our feelings about it and men need to respect our feelings and stop doing it.

Oh, I completely agree.

I'm just surprised that there are still people in 2014 who don't see an issue with a man screaming, "Hey, baby! Nice tits." to random women on the street.

Me as well. It baffles my mind how people try and justify it as a compliment. As if we are that stupid.

THE fact of the matter is some folks have empathy for their fellow human beings and respect them IN that way as PEOPLE WITH FEELINGS THAT CAN BE HURT with objectifying them as just another piece of meat in A 'MEET' MARKET WHETHER that is on a dance floor or on the sidewalks of life.

And some folks DO NOT, AND WILL NEVER GET IT, UNTIL THEY DEVELOP BASIC HUMAN EMPATHY, if they even can as science now shows that HUMANS that are not given copious amounts of flesh and blood human nurturing in the first two years of life NEVER DO, SADLY as this is as It is True.

It's why you often see this behavior more in areas of socio-economic distress where children do not receive nurturing as much in the first two years of life, or in highly 'privileged' areas where the parents are so far removed from their children in gaining 'gold' in life, that for all practical intents and purposes they do not exist.

And no, this is not just my opinion, this is the the state of the art opinion of modern science.

And this is where the science of psychology is going, in restoring basic humanity, AKA HUMAN EMPATHY, IF POSSIBLE.

LIVING a life in mechanical (machine) cognition does nothing to improve it. And science now evidences this as true too.

And this in part is why the Internet can be such a cold hard place for humanity as it truly CAN discourage the HUMAN ART OF EMPATHY, through anonymity where even faces no longer exist.

I choose empathy and Love and HELL YES IT WORKS IN EVERY WAY FOR ME in real life for SURE.

And the girls in REAL LIFE, DO LIKE IT TOO, and I HAVE REAMS OF EVIDENCE FOR THAT, for any of the naysayers out there that say good guys finish last, in the REAL GAME OF LIFE THAT IS unconditional LOVE.

And hell yes, I'm passionate about this, as truly it CAN BE A REAL LIFE SAVER IN the REAL game of life for those who CAN hear (t) it.

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^ Agreed, Ahogday.