Feminism: Enough is ENOUGH

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To be fair Eliot Rogers killed both men and women, I find it quite interesting you have left that out. He killed 4 men and 2 women.

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Never heard that one, I usually see LGBWTFBBQ when someone is expressing exasperation with the ever lengthening acronym.



You misunderstand me, my dear Walrus, I don't need the article debunked, it practically debunks itself, I posted it simply to illustrate the type of identity politics, including feminism, that I have a problem with, and to demonstrate that it's not some small fringe holding these beliefs, as indicated by their presence on mainstream feminist hubs such as EDF.



That actually kind of reinforces my point, that this silliness is lurking even within otherwise intelligent and reasonable people who get involved with this ideology.



Again though, EDF and what it publishes is merely a symptom of a larger issue, and that they do publish the crazy stuff (and that it's not shouted down, which is sort of a go to response from the type of feminists I'm talking about here), says something about the direction feminism as a whole is going in these days. They're not an outlier either, this school of thought is positively mainstream in feminism these days, which is why I get so annoyed when my multiple examples get breezily dismissed as using a few extremists to misconstrue the whole.



Eh, personally I find it a useful shibboleth, but still think it's a fairly ridiculous as a whole, which neatly sums up my opinion of most users of the term as well.

As an aside, I love it when I point out a behavior that I find troublesome, and then someone appears, as if by magic, to dispute my characterization of that behavior while simultaneously displaying it, I mean I really couldn't ask for more.

My last post on this topic thread. I am genuinely interested in discussing feminism and feminist critique, even critiques of feminism with other people. If there are others who are genuinely interested in analysing Dworkin instead of just taking quips you've read online like 'all penis in vagina sex is rape' and running with them and calling women feminazis, etc, I would be happy to do that.

One thing feminism has taught me is that I don't need to educate others or placate them by explaining my views or defending my beliefs. I would happily discuss Dworkin's theories with anyone who would be willing to sactually read one of her books, Woman Hating is one I recommend fully to everyone, and it's available online for free in .pdf format. If there is anyone in the thread who would like to do this, feel free to make a new thread about it and we can do a sort of 'feminist theory' exploration/debate thread based on actual feminist theory, not what some dude saw on reddit or some feminazi video on YouTube. Cheers.

I can tell and I'm thankful. My son and all of the other awesome males I have had the pleasure of having in my life aren't either, thankfully. Most understand and support what feminism has meant for the women in their lives, too.

I don't really criticize the ideologies.
I do criticize that it is not actually represented well by... pretty much any visible group or person right now. And that has been the case for a while. Other people like to label me feminist. i was confused for a while that it was somehow supposed to be an insult.

Feminism is, at it's root, about equality among genders. I mean that's pretty much it. Done.
It's not about pushing men down to raise women up. It's not about babying ciswomen or transgenderwomen in debates or anything else to give them a "boost".

It's also not about exclusion though. Or not supposed to be. And this is where I'm having a problem. In so many open forums, debates, discussions- there are a lot of women who are actively excluded from the feminist movement because it's "distracting" or, I don't even know... Women's rights are a priority, but if they are of the right socioeconomic status, education, able, ethnicity, etc etc etc.

Oh yeah and forget about anything to do with men. We don't need to involve men in any conversations.
I'm not ok with that.
It makes no sense.

I think the root of the feminist movement is great, but I see very little of it in the most visible feminist groups, "activists", etc.

All of this. Thank you. I guess I am still posting in this thread despite saying I wouldn't. There's a huge misrepresentation of feminism everywhere nowadays, and a huge backlash against it. I honestly attribute it to our collective short attention spans. Nobody seems interested in actually reading feminist theory, they want the Cliff's Notes so they can tear it apart without even knowing what it is they are supposedly tearing apart. The number of times I have read 'Dworkin evil all sex rape' reductionism is tiring and boring. It's as boring to me as 'autism caused by vaccines' and 'women equal already'.

Just like with anything, if we want to argue for or against something, we have to actually know what we're arguing for or against; otherwise we end up looking like uniformed idiots who want to have an opinion on everything without actually bothering to learn about it first. I think that's a huge problem with all sorts of belief systems, theories, and ideologies in this period of history.

That's not at all appropriate. Comparing the commentary in this thread from males to ER- who didn't really get proper support/therapy/care and was obsessive, violent and not clearly autistic [though you seem to think otherwise] is wholly inappropriate and frankly, a cheap shot. You should reel that WAY back in.

I don't see blatant general hatred of women in this thread. I see people maybe being snarky and a bit knee-jerk in their reactions. I also see a completely unnecessary comparison to an individual who committed an awful, violent deed.

Not ok. Really really not ok. You seem to be burying this accusation of inhumanity behind a veil of feminist ideology, women's rights, feeling threatened, the need for "protection" and the claims of overwhelming "OH NOES MISOGYNY".
Double Dog Not OK.

You have now absolutely demonstrated the absurd character of much of the feminist discussion online and the truth is that this kind of thing hurts your cause.

Feminism is not self-victimization and that is precisely what you just did by assigning "enemy" and "threat" to these men. Please please don't do this, in the very least for yourself.

I really don't understand your last post at all. Apologies for any offense here. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree trying to communicate online. I don't intend any offense and wasn't clear why I brought up ER, but didn't have bad intentions. I wish everyone the best and apologise if bringing up ER as an example of hatred towards women was inappropriate. Cheers.

How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?

That's not funny!

What? ME change a light bulb? Change it yourself, you patriarchal slime!

That ain't feminist that is straight racist!

But what I don't get is how feminists have boyfriends and husbands.

If they love women so much, why aren't they homosexuals or even bisexual then?

In the early 70's there actually was a subgroup of the militant feminists who advocated women only being in relationships with women. They actually advocated for straight women to only date, have sex, and be in relationships with other women. They called it "Political Lesbianism". It didn't catch on, because everybody knows you can't change your orientation to suit some political or religious agenda or for any reason.

How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb? 12.
One to screw it in,
one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,
one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination,
one to suggest the whole "screwing" bit to be too "rape-like",
one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic,
one to blame men for not changing the bulb,
one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it,
one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing light bulbs,
one to blame men for creating a society where women change too many light bulbs,
one to advocate that lightbulb changers should have wage parity with electricians,
one to alert the media that women are now "out-lightbulbing" men,
one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog for photo-evidence that men are unnecessary.

As for Ominous's devotion to Andrea Dworkin you fail to realize this person hates and demonizes all men right? Although she has had a bad past with some men she demonizes ALL MEN including yourself but you fail to see that, a famouse quote from your idol, “I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin She sure seems to strive equality doesnt she? *sarcasm* shes a bigot she hates all men deal with it including yourself! I guess you agree with this and consider ALL men as garbage and rapists and should all be rapists and dismiss yourself as a self hating man and ashamed of being born male because of this! Here is a repeat vid of Girldoes rant on RADICAL feminism who I agree with yes there is SUCH THING A RADICAL FEMINISM! This woman makes a valid point and is out for TRUE EQUALITY stop following radical man hating nazis who secretly hate you and go for true equality you are a man and I am sure your not a rapist, rise above and show most men aren't rapist sacks of garbage ffs stick up for you gender m8 otherwise succumb to hating yourself simply because you were born male! Men are awesome. women are awesome remember that ffs all this femnazi and mra BS is indeed BS!Not all men are rapists and if you dissagree then I guess your a rapist even though you have never raped but your a rapist because your a male so it instantly makes you a rapist, lets not forget male rape victims but who gives a s**t about them right? I was a victim of rape by a woman and by a man but that's not important because I am a male it does not matter whatsoever! Feminists dont give a s**t I have to go to a counseler for help for that same with being a male victim of domestic violence, feminists dont give two s**ts about male victims of domestic violence either there is no equality! Its all a joke!

But yeah feminist don't give two s**ts about male rape victims or male victims of domestic violane because they believe all men are garbage and deserve to be raped and beaten! They laugh about it all they care about is their own problems men dont matter they are all monsters and worthless sacks of s**t and don't have feelings! Male rape victim? Not important its not a woman he will have to deal with it because hes a man!