i am legitimately scared about trump becoming president

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08 Jan 2016, 11:15 am

Anyway, your insults to ravensclaw were challenged. Deal with it. I am sure she has.


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08 Jan 2016, 11:33 am

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To be fair raptor probably did not know what he meant. His objection was like someone saying,"all brown eyed people are evil". Another person responds," So you think Lincoln (a man with brown eyes) was evil." The first person says," Stop putting words in my mouth! I never said Lincoln was evil!" Such a response shows a lack of critical thinking skills.

Are you finished embarrassing yourself by creating four (4) posts just to correct/explain one little f**k up of yours that no one including me would have given a s**t about IF we even noticed? What exactly is it that you think you're enlightening people here about me that they don't already know all too well? My modus operandi is boringly familiar here and I frequently actually brag about my handiwork and encourage newbies to go look up my older posts.
Duh...
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Ok, you are right everyone knows that you lack critical thinking skills, your modus operandi. Everyone knows that you said that criticism of other people means that you are in favor of dictatorial North Korean behaviour. But wait, you criticized ravensxlaw and me. You north korean! Its so easy destroying arguments that contradict themselves.

Yeah right, I'm actually Kim Jong-un posing as an aspie here.

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Well at least your slowly learning how to use the quote tool.
Small steps...


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08 Jan 2016, 11:50 am

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Because you don't care about guns when Obama says "we should do what Australia did and ban all guns" you just continue on like its static. People have selective hearing when it comes to attacks on stuff they don't care abou or directly effects you. Do you listen and pay attention to all of obamas speeches or clintons for that sake? Gun owners do.


Your average progressive doesnt care one iota about rights as long as their welfare checks (under whatever guise) keep coming and they have the right to marry thier neighbor's shetland pony or whatever...


I get what the right considers welfare.

I call it like I see it.

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Yet I'm not blindly supporting the left like you assume.

No one said you were. I was actually agreeing with you on the left's selectiveness (to put it kindly) on constitutional rights.

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Personally I think we need 3 nations one for the left, one for the right and one for the other 80% of us. USA is far more purple then blue or red.
We actually had a long running thread a few years ago about such a scenario but it was strictly left and right. The right wing states were called (ready for this?) "Jesusland".

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14 Jan 2016, 4:22 am

Hilary wants global gun confiscation and censorship, which will lead to a civil war. Trump wants to have peace talks with Putin and go after ISIS with him. Hmmm, which one sounds worse?



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15 Jan 2016, 2:48 pm

As long as Trump is pretending to be a conservative, he can't bribe voters with money from taxation like liberal parties. Though he is rich, he'd soon deplete his own wealth attempting to bribe voters with his own money and that's not likely something any rich person would do since hoarding is more their habit. With increasing population and few jobs, politicians who promise handouts are bound to be more popular.


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15 Jan 2016, 2:58 pm

Iamaparakeet wrote:
As long as Trump is pretending to be a conservative, he can't bribe voters with money from taxation like liberal parties. Though he is rich, he'd soon deplete his own wealth attempting to bribe voters with his own money and that's not likely something any rich person would do since hoarding is more their habit. With increasing population and few jobs, politicians who promise handouts are bound to be more popular.


This is an argument for capping campaign money.

So it can be about policy.



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15 Jan 2016, 3:05 pm

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Yes because there's zero regulations on guns . Not like there thousands and thousands of gun laws on the books. Not like full auto guns are banned, not like having a sbr is restricted, not like we need a permit to carry a gun, not like we have to pay taxes on guns, not like you have to be a certain age to buy or own guns, etc. yep guns aren't regulated at all.

I used it as an example because its something you like and people have supported banning types of music in the past and it could happen again. The 1st amendment is no more safe then the 2nd is, so if you think music is safe from people's anti freedoms they disagree with your wrong. I think a few states banned jazz and rock for a while. Am lot of people think bad violent music like heavy metal and rap cause violent culture.


Because you don't care about guns when Obama says "we should do what Australia did and ban all guns" you just continue on like its static. People have selective hearing when it comes to attacks on stuff they don't care abou or directly effects you. Do you listen and pay attention to all of obamas speeches or clintons for that sake? Gun owners do.

You said your fine with banning simi auto guns and support the supper restrictive (can't go shooting with friends) universal background checks.

A lot of people are single issue voters. A lot of women voted for Obama because of women's rights, others for gay rights. But democrats are not just attacking gun rights they attack many rights. I know if any of them are elected their come for a bunch of my freedoms, if trump is he might take away welfare. He's a unknown he might even turn back to his democrats ways. Personally I'd rather have Ted cruez, or an idea pro gun pro welfar candidate but sadly those are few and will never get support from either party.

He removed your right to medical privacy so that he could use medical records to ban guns, this opens you private information up to others though not jus for gun stuff. But I suppose if you don't care about your privacy and potential employers knowing your infor the oh well. Personally I'm against this attack on aspies and Americans right to privacy. So now he can label all aspies as defective and mentally incompetent and employers can find out which employees are aspies or other disorders and let them go.

As a gun owner, ssi/ssdi receiver, food stamp person, and friends and family who shake weed I actually care quiet a bit about all that. Heck I even think crack should be legal. I'm for people's rights to do what they want as long as it don't effect others, so if someone wants to shoot up with crack in their house that's fine. I personally wouldn't want to but why should people not be able to do stuff because i don't like it. Really can't stand that. Like that person here who thought sex should be illegal because they think sex is disgusting. Republicans don't like me because I support welfare as I know how important it is.


Problem is that the proposed background check systems don't just target violent felons or child molesters. He wants to label aspies as the same as felons, I'm not s felon because I was born with a social disorder, social disorder doesn't make us more violent, it just means we have a hard time socializing in a world where socializing is important. It also makes it a felony to hand your friend you gun, that's an illegal transfer you need to legally transfer the gun to him via background check then when he's done transfer it back, though he can just not and keep it because legally it's his now. You can only do it without background check if it's family spouse or gay partnership, no gf/bf, and non family only if it's for a hunting trip and limited to like 5 days. If I had a gf I couldn't temporary leave a gun with her because she's had someone creeping around her place at night looking in her Windows. Heck if she lived with me I could only leave her alone with the guns in my house up to 14 days before I'd be s felon and her too.
If more people read the proposed background checks they'd probably be against it. Honesty if it was just "you must do a background check when buying a gun to keep as your so" then I wouldn't care other then its basically registration, but it's not it's a bloated law that makes regular people felons for doing stuff most normal people wouldn't be against them doing. The federal one required you go to a federal licensed gun range, those don't exist. Mean they get zoned and get s business permit with the the county but not with the Feds so there'd the no where to shoot, and most people in the northwest and in south west just go out into the forest or desert and shoot. But can't have that as then they wouldn't know if we let our friend shoot our gun, and can't have that oh noes.

If you ban some guns your banning guns, last I checked simi auto guns are guns and so a ban on them is banning guns. As I listed at the start there's tons and tons of regulations on guns already, gun owners feel like we are being strangled more and more. The anti gun people have already regulated us so much and they want more. They use lies like saying you can buy a gun online and have it shipped to your house, but that's been illegal since 1986. No shipping company is going to break the law for people, no gun company is going risk losing their business license and even attempt it. Guns online are shipped to a ffl where you go through a background check and if u fail you don't get the gun or your money back, if you pass you get a gun un inspected that could be scratched up or not what u thought it was. That's just one of many lies Obama and democrats tell to deceive the people in the middle.



I don't even think they should ban guns, also...

I never said I agreed with Obama's planned background checks, especially since reading up more on the details especially the bit about it including medical records, I said I supported criminal background checks as in people who have a violent criminal record. I also never said people should be banned from going shooting with their friends I even participated in that once, well it was family not friends but whatever. Also I think I said high power assualt rifles...does a semi auto even qualify as that? But yeah I don't have time to follow everything Obama or other politicians say but that doesn't mean I just assume I agree with what any given politician is doing.

But yeah I can't change the fact guns aren't a major interest of mine and that I am more concerned about the economy/standard of living, cannabis legalization/decriminalization, ending the war on drugs, for profit prisons and things like that . With the gun law proposals I think the medical record stuff is a slippery slope I mean what other businesses or services are going to gain access to medical records? But yeah I am not the most knowledgeable on the issue but I think at least some on the right are pushing for too loose of regulations like allowing anyone and everyone to buy a gun without any kind of background check even actual high power assualt rifles with no limitations...I mean like maybe full automatic powerful enough that an average person with no military training has no business with it, sorry I do not know a lot of gun terminology.

Also here is where I probably also differ from a lot of democrats, I think gun free zones are idiocy...I mean what says easy target to a gunman wanting to go on a rampage than 'gun free zone'. I can understand courts, and public politician appearances and such not allowing people to bring in weapons but usually there are armed guards of some kind for those situations anyways. But yeah unless there is security that could stand a chance against an armed attacker then it should never be a gun free zone.


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15 Jan 2016, 5:12 pm

I does seem that Democrats cannot run on their record, or have any future plan they would admit to, the issue becomes Illegal Atomic Assault Weapons in redneck bigot pickup trucks.

Reality, Congress has a Republican majority, both houses, and that seems secure for ten years. so while all the money will most likely be stolen, The Constitution, Guns, God, will live to fight another day.

The issue is we have been saddled with debt, there is no way it can be paid off. In the most recent year we are going into debt twice as fast.

This money was not used to shore up our military, fix our roads and bridges, fund Social Security, and the fact stands out, no one knows where $21 Trillion in spending went?

It would seem we should have something to show for it.

One theory is it was spent by an expanding government on expanding government. As costs rose and investment returns dropped, they had to take action to fund their Government only Health and Retirement.

Many pension plans were based on 7-10% return on investments, while actual have been 2-3%.

It is the only thing that all of the crooks in Washington would support, and keep secret.

It is National Security, if the Nation found out, Government Employees would not be Secure.

President Trump will be auditing the books.

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15 Jan 2016, 6:43 pm

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...the issue becomes Illegal Atomic Assault Weapons in redneck bigot pickup trucks. ....


Something like an automatic M65 on a Warthog from Halo?


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16 Jan 2016, 3:56 am

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Also I think I said high power assualt rifles...does a semi auto even qualify as that?


You're illustrating the problems of entering a debate where you don't even know what the terminology means, and why that drives people like me nuts. "High powered" and "assault rifle" are actually mutually exclusive, as the definition of an assault rifle is a selective fire rifle fed by a detachable magazine chambered in an intermediate caliber, meaning that common hunting rifles are more "powerful", and the selective fire thing excludes semi autos as well. You've fallen victim to a decades long effort by anti gun groups to conflate semi auto rifles with modern styling with fully automatic weapons that haven't been available to civilians since the 80s, and are virtually never used in crime (don't take my word for it, the founder of the Violence Policy Center openly admits his deceptive intent).

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But yeah I am not the most knowledgeable on the issue but I think at least some on the right are pushing for too loose of regulations like allowing anyone and everyone to buy a gun without any kind of background check even actual high power assualt rifles with no limitations...


Who is pushing for this? And again, words you don't know the meaning of used to describe problems that don't exist. Look it up, more people are killed every year with blunt objects than with long guns of any kind (long gun means any rifle or shotgun, of which the modern semi autos you're so concerned with are a small subset), so you'd be better off regulating hammers and bats than extremely expensive, bulky, specialized rifles that are incredibly unsuited to criminal activity.

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I mean like maybe full automatic powerful enough that an average person with no military training has no business with it, sorry I do not know a lot of gun terminology.


Obviously. Your sentence here is literally meaningless. You know, I get it, guns aren't your thing, but maybe consider that them not being your thing might kinda moots your opinions on them to those of use whose thing they actually are.


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16 Jan 2016, 8:37 am

When the US Military was looking for a more powerful weapon, they discovered the Deer rifle, such as the Remington Model 70.

Bolt action, five shot box magazine, chambered for a common hunting cartridge, .308, outdid all of their evil looking soldier toys. With a good scope and shooter, it worked out to 700 yards.

So did the 1894 Mauser. The most powerful ammo, the 30 06 was developed in 1906.

Most modern assault rifles are short range, their ammo is the .223, which while it does reach high speed, is light and unstable. It is a long barreled machine pistol.

Hunting rifles are the most common weapon, both Winchester and Remington claimed sales of 5,000,000 of one Model. They are the most common, highest power, longest range, most accurate, and never used in crime.

So when people talk of confiscating the weapons more powerful than the military uses, they are talking about Deer Rifles.

American hunters are the largest Army on Earth.

Some people see that as a problem.



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16 Jan 2016, 6:52 pm

I think we're all very scared and we have a right to be so. He'd make a good fuhrer.


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16 Jan 2016, 7:14 pm

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I think we're all very scared and we have a right to be so. He'd make a good fuhrer.

I dont know he'd have to beat Obama on for that.



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Meanwhile, Obama uses his tyrannical powers to protect quality of life over business interests. Such an evil man :roll:



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17 Jan 2016, 12:17 am

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Meanwhile, Obama uses his tyrannical powers to protect quality of life over business interests. Such an evil man :roll:

And what protection of quality of life would that be?


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17 Jan 2016, 12:28 am

Obama has made his mark in the field of civil rights by championing LGBT rights, and he's extended medical coverage to millions of Americans who had been denied it for reasons of economic barriers or preexisting conditions. So much for the notion that he's the dictator that many fear Trump could possibly be.


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