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05 Mar 2016, 6:01 pm

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If I'm remembering the right press conference, Obama, who had been talking about ISIS earlier, had had a brain fart when intending to speak of the Free Syrian Army. This is no different from the time the right had used a verbal flub by the President to prove that he's a Muslim. In both cases, anyone watching the press conference of interview in their entirety would understand the full context, and know it was a slip of the tongue.


Certainly a slip of the tongue. He accidentally told the truth. This isn't even surprising when the other video shows that Obama knowingly funded and supported ISIS.


Other than that "slip of the tongue," I doubt anyone can provide any evidence that the US is funding ISIS, because the proof is non-existent.


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05 Mar 2016, 6:02 pm

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Obama give Israel around $10 million a day. He funded and support the massacres in Gaza in 2008 and 2014. Obama should be locked up.


If there was any culpability for the US side for 2014 Gaza, it was Kerry's ego trip of trying to force negotiations, when there was clear no interest or incentive. Both Bibi and Abbas tried to kill the process as fast as possible, and they were both willing to do whatever it took to do that with disastrous consequences.

You could say the knock on effect triggered the Hamas reaction. However obviously they had spent years building up to that, instead of spending the money they had improving their people's lives.

Obama is the only US President that has made strides to mend ties with Iran or Cuba. So not all good, not all bad.


Lol, again thinking that Kerry was acting alone. The US and the EU acted together to try and resolve the conflict, as like Clinton, Obama wants to get some kind of credit before he leaves office. Hamas were desperate, and agreed to the terms set out by the EU and the US to form a unity government and resolve the conflict. This utterly enraged Israel, who then looked for a pretext to go into Gaza, and they got this by going on a rampage in the West Bank in search of teenagers they already knew were dead, killing people, destroying homes and buildings and arresting masses of people. Lone groups fired "rockets" into Israel, and then Israel responded with their onslaught, with Hamas then responding with "rockets".

You really ought to educate yourself on reality.

The US is just going to take over Cuba basically, and call it "free trade". But yes, the Iran deal was something Obama wanted to get done before he left office to get a bit more credit, not because he actually cares about anything.


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05 Mar 2016, 6:04 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
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If I'm remembering the right press conference, Obama, who had been talking about ISIS earlier, had had a brain fart when intending to speak of the Free Syrian Army. This is no different from the time the right had used a verbal flub by the President to prove that he's a Muslim. In both cases, anyone watching the press conference of interview in their entirety would understand the full context, and know it was a slip of the tongue.


Certainly a slip of the tongue. He accidentally told the truth. This isn't even surprising when the other video shows that Obama knowingly funded and supported ISIS.


Other than that "slip of the tongue," I doubt anyone can provide any evidence that the US is funding ISIS, because the proof is non-existent.



I just proved it with the Hassan/Flynn video on the previous page. Up to you if you want to believe what suits your views and ignore evidence.


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05 Mar 2016, 6:11 pm

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Obama give Israel around $10 million a day. He funded and support the massacres in Gaza in 2008 and 2014. Obama should be locked up.


And who is currently preferable as an ally in the Middle East, opposed to the single true democracy, Israel? I admit, I don't like everything Israel does, either; but on the other hand, it's not like Israel is carrying out unprovoked attacks on Gaza.


Lol, Israel is a democracy? Strange, considering that they see the West Bank and East Jerusalem as Israeli land and have an apartheid system there. "it's not like Israel is carrying out unprovoked attacks on Gaza." You really ought to educate yourself, that's exactly what Israel has been doing. It admittedly goes in to "mow the lawn". If you're interested I will point you in the right direction.


As I said, I don't like everything Israel does, in particular the way Palestinians - even those who are Israeli citizens - are treated as enemies. And I am the first to say that destroying the family homes of Palestinian terrorists does nothing but create new terrorists. That, and I absolutely despise the racism and Anti-Gentile hatred spewed by the Israeli right, which is also directed at black African Jews. That said, the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas in Gaza, are renowned for their own religious and racial bigotry, for their violence and intolerance toward both political dissenters and those they regard as social pariahs (such as gays), for government corruption and criminality, not to mention that the PA coddles terrorists, while Hamas are terrorists. So far, Israel is the best of a bad situation we can get.


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05 Mar 2016, 6:20 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
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If I'm remembering the right press conference, Obama, who had been talking about ISIS earlier, had had a brain fart when intending to speak of the Free Syrian Army. This is no different from the time the right had used a verbal flub by the President to prove that he's a Muslim. In both cases, anyone watching the press conference of interview in their entirety would understand the full context, and know it was a slip of the tongue.


Certainly a slip of the tongue. He accidentally told the truth. This isn't even surprising when the other video shows that Obama knowingly funded and supported ISIS.


Other than that "slip of the tongue," I doubt anyone can provide any evidence that the US is funding ISIS, because the proof is non-existent.



I just proved it with the Hassan/Flynn video on the previous page. Up to you if you want to believe what suits your views and ignore evidence.


Just because I don't believe every video out there, I'm ignoring evidence?


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07 Mar 2016, 4:16 pm

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It's a nonsense fake narrative, dirty tricks by the media, tried and true character assassination except this time it isn't working. They can't talk about the issues so they make one up. Just pure desperation at this point.

Screaming racism and holding your breath isn't a debate, it just shows the lack of substance behind the otherside. Bernie at least at has the Matthew Lesko thing going, Hillary just tries to copy what is popular or advantagous to her at any given time.


Ok well than can you link us to the real narrative and truth than, so we can all form our own opinions like you did

I mean seriously why should anyone here believe you that everything negative said about trump is lies and deceit on the part of the media, or just people repeating false things....when you're an even less valid source then the very media sources you complain about. You're just a person on the internet at least with news articles you can usually get around some of the bias and still get some more or less confirmed facts/information.

Also people actually dislike things that come out of Trumps mouth, is it that hard to fathom that its not just stuff the media says that makes him look bad to a lot of people....its stuff he publically says himself.


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I don't think you should judge Trump or anyone else based on who votes for them. Such a thing is also extremely open to abuse, especially in America with all the money that goes behind candidates. You could pay a few appropriate people off to loudly proclaim their allegiance to someone. They don't even have to vote that way come voting day, they can cast their secret vote any way they want to. Why give such power to such people to effect change like that? At the end of the day David Duke has 1 vote, the same as everyone else, and that's all the power he should have. If you have a friend who's *insert anything you want here*, should you be judged a bad person because of that?


I think if someone wants to be friends with racists, white supremacists, kkk members or neo-nazis than yes they should be judged by that. I myself would judge such a person as a bad person for the sort of company they keep...others might have differing opinions on them.

If you have a friend who's married to a known pedophile for instance you don't think it would be fair for people to negatively judge your friend?

There are some if you have a friend who 'insert something here* should be judged as a bad person because of it.


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19 Mar 2016, 1:10 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Obama give Israel around $10 million a day. He funded and support the massacres in Gaza in 2008 and 2014. Obama should be locked up.


And who is currently preferable as an ally in the Middle East, opposed to the single true democracy, Israel? I admit, I don't like everything Israel does, either; but on the other hand, it's not like Israel is carrying out unprovoked attacks on Gaza.


Lol, Israel is a democracy? Strange, considering that they see the West Bank and East Jerusalem as Israeli land and have an apartheid system there. "it's not like Israel is carrying out unprovoked attacks on Gaza." You really ought to educate yourself, that's exactly what Israel has been doing. It admittedly goes in to "mow the lawn". If you're interested I will point you in the right direction.


As I said, I don't like everything Israel does, in particular the way Palestinians - even those who are Israeli citizens - are treated as enemies. And I am the first to say that destroying the family homes of Palestinian terrorists does nothing but create new terrorists. That, and I absolutely despise the racism and Anti-Gentile hatred spewed by the Israeli right, which is also directed at black African Jews. That said, the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas in Gaza, are renowned for their own religious and racial bigotry, for their violence and intolerance toward both political dissenters and those they regard as social pariahs (such as gays), for government corruption and criminality, not to mention that the PA coddles terrorists, while Hamas are terrorists. So far, Israel is the best of a bad situation we can get.


The policies of Israel say far more than some honest far right people there. Hamas are just the result of Israel, and the PA are Israeli puppets. Israel are a terrorist state, Hamas has actually stuck to ceasefires and agreed to terms set out by the US and the EU.


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19 Mar 2016, 1:13 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
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If I'm remembering the right press conference, Obama, who had been talking about ISIS earlier, had had a brain fart when intending to speak of the Free Syrian Army. This is no different from the time the right had used a verbal flub by the President to prove that he's a Muslim. In both cases, anyone watching the press conference of interview in their entirety would understand the full context, and know it was a slip of the tongue.


Certainly a slip of the tongue. He accidentally told the truth. This isn't even surprising when the other video shows that Obama knowingly funded and supported ISIS.


Other than that "slip of the tongue," I doubt anyone can provide any evidence that the US is funding ISIS, because the proof is non-existent.



I just proved it with the Hassan/Flynn video on the previous page. Up to you if you want to believe what suits your views and ignore evidence.


Just because I don't believe every video out there, I'm ignoring evidence?


What don't you believe? It's right there on tape, and the document has been released. You mean you don't believe stuff that proves you wrong?


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19 Mar 2016, 2:37 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Obama give Israel around $10 million a day. He funded and support the massacres in Gaza in 2008 and 2014. Obama should be locked up.


And who is currently preferable as an ally in the Middle East, opposed to the single true democracy, Israel? I admit, I don't like everything Israel does, either; but on the other hand, it's not like Israel is carrying out unprovoked attacks on Gaza.


Lol, Israel is a democracy? Strange, considering that they see the West Bank and East Jerusalem as Israeli land and have an apartheid system there. "it's not like Israel is carrying out unprovoked attacks on Gaza." You really ought to educate yourself, that's exactly what Israel has been doing. It admittedly goes in to "mow the lawn". If you're interested I will point you in the right direction.


As I said, I don't like everything Israel does, in particular the way Palestinians - even those who are Israeli citizens - are treated as enemies. And I am the first to say that destroying the family homes of Palestinian terrorists does nothing but create new terrorists. That, and I absolutely despise the racism and Anti-Gentile hatred spewed by the Israeli right, which is also directed at black African Jews. That said, the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas in Gaza, are renowned for their own religious and racial bigotry, for their violence and intolerance toward both political dissenters and those they regard as social pariahs (such as gays), for government corruption and criminality, not to mention that the PA coddles terrorists, while Hamas are terrorists. So far, Israel is the best of a bad situation we can get.


The policies of Israel say far more than some honest far right people there. Hamas are just the result of Israel, and the PA are Israeli puppets. Israel are a terrorist state, Hamas has actually stuck to ceasefires and agreed to terms set out by the US and the EU.


I seem to recall Hamas lobbing rockets, and digging tunnels across the Israeli border, every time.
And sure, Hamas was a response to Israel. But the Nazis were also the creation of the Treaty of Versailles. That didn't mean we weren't going to fight Hitler.


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25 Mar 2016, 9:08 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Obama give Israel around $10 million a day. He funded and support the massacres in Gaza in 2008 and 2014. Obama should be locked up.


And who is currently preferable as an ally in the Middle East, opposed to the single true democracy, Israel? I admit, I don't like everything Israel does, either; but on the other hand, it's not like Israel is carrying out unprovoked attacks on Gaza.


Lol, Israel is a democracy? Strange, considering that they see the West Bank and East Jerusalem as Israeli land and have an apartheid system there. "it's not like Israel is carrying out unprovoked attacks on Gaza." You really ought to educate yourself, that's exactly what Israel has been doing. It admittedly goes in to "mow the lawn". If you're interested I will point you in the right direction.


As I said, I don't like everything Israel does, in particular the way Palestinians - even those who are Israeli citizens - are treated as enemies. And I am the first to say that destroying the family homes of Palestinian terrorists does nothing but create new terrorists. That, and I absolutely despise the racism and Anti-Gentile hatred spewed by the Israeli right, which is also directed at black African Jews. That said, the Palestinian Authority, and Hamas in Gaza, are renowned for their own religious and racial bigotry, for their violence and intolerance toward both political dissenters and those they regard as social pariahs (such as gays), for government corruption and criminality, not to mention that the PA coddles terrorists, while Hamas are terrorists. So far, Israel is the best of a bad situation we can get.


The policies of Israel say far more than some honest far right people there. Hamas are just the result of Israel, and the PA are Israeli puppets. Israel are a terrorist state, Hamas has actually stuck to ceasefires and agreed to terms set out by the US and the EU.


I seem to recall Hamas lobbing rockets, and digging tunnels across the Israeli border, every time.
And sure, Hamas was a response to Israel. But the Nazis were also the creation of the Treaty of Versailles. That didn't mean we weren't going to fight Hitler.


Comparing Hamas with the Nazis, that's a new one :roll: If you're caged from all sides and have a blockade on you and are getting shot like fish in a barrel, it is perfectly reasonable to dig tunnels. Hamas lobbed rockets in response to Israel's murderous rampages.


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25 Mar 2016, 11:32 am

No way is this ever right.I have fruit and nut trees and I know what I'd do if I caught someone cutting them down.
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25 Mar 2016, 11:48 am

The Israeli settlers are a huge problem, they are committing ethnic cleansing and making a Palestinian state impossible from ever existing. I think at this point there is no real solution to the conflict accept that Israel stops being a 'Jewish State' and give full civil rights to the Palestinians but we know that isn't going to happen. Egypt and Jordan should take take back control of Gaza and the West Bank respectively in my opinion so those populations don't have to live under siege.



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25 Mar 2016, 3:40 pm

Black Pride, Jew Pride, Hispanic Pride, Homosexual Pride, White Racism.

They all speak White words, live in White houses, get White educations, drive White cars, to White jobs, under White Law.

White people make more money than everyone except European Jews and East Asians.

David Duke does pod casts with Black Historians. Check them out on YouTube.

They agree that there is a Black point of view, a White point of view, and a lets you and him fight Racist point of view.

The KKK was disbanded after the Civil War. Another group using the name came up in 1920-1930s in the north, New York to Chicago. A revived Klan rose in the south in the 1960s. This last was in response to the Federal Government.

As the Klan admits, all time, there have been maybe a thousand lynching's claimed to be Klan.

Most were not, just some locals. Some innocent were lynched, some guilty.

More Black Men have been killed by Black Men in the last month.

Like it or not, our futures are bound together. We have to make the best choice for all the people.



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21 Apr 2016, 4:35 am

I was very surprised today to learn that KKK were historically Democrats and extremely anti-Republicans.



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I was very surprised today to learn that KKK were historically Democrats and extremely anti-Republicans.


The operative word is "were." Back in the 19th and early and mid 20th centuries, the Democrats, particularly in the south, had been extremely conservative, while the Republicans represented the radical left. Because of animosity left following the Civil War, white southerners saw the Republicans as the cause of their defeat, and as race traitors. Hence, the KKK sought to terrorize Republicans involved in Reconstruction, who they labeled as carpet baggers, as well as the Pro-Union white southerners, who they called scallywags. With FDR's New Deal, the northern Democrats began moving to the left, while southern Democrats remained right wing. With the advent of civil rights for African Americans, which was supported by both northern Democrats and moderate Republicans, white southern Democrats became increasingly estranged, some like Strom Thurmond even attempting to form their own Dixiecrat party. At the same time, the Republican Presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, while himself not personally racist, had the libertarian notion in his head that the federal government had no right to tell the states what to do, even if it involved assuring American citizens their constitutionally guaranteed rights. Setting the tone for the two parties ever after, white southern Democrats - including racists like the KKK - began switching parties as they were replaced by now voting black southern Democrats, as as northern Democrats became the liberal party. Finally, Ronald Reagan captured the white southern vote for the Republican party with coded and not so coded rhetoric embracing the racial prejudice of many white southerners. That's not to say that all white southerners are racists, or that all northerners are free of racial hate, but this is a synopsis of how the current political situation evolved.


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