A world without Christianity!

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Ok...two things to address here....

1.) Oedipal ...well...went right pat me...eeeeEEEYYYyyyyaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr......... LOL

2.) I'm agnostic. I leave it at that for ease of discussion.

A belief in nothing is a belief. As for it being a religion or even being able to consider it a religion would depend on how it's defined I guess.

I have no problem with either side. I just don't like being talked at like people have no right to do as they please. It's on both sides.

"You can't prove there is a god you damned fool!! Believing in the magical fairy god in the sky."

"You can't prove there is not a God! You will burn in hell! I will pray to my all loving God that you burn in hell!! !"

Both are messed up.

This is how it should be...

Hey, BillyBob, Happy Hanukah!

Hey Mordecai, Merry Christmas to you too!

Hey, you guys got your menorahs and Trees up yet?

In unison, "Why no, Achmed...thanks for asking! What are you doing?"

"Well, Me an' Atheist Al are going Duck hunting."

"Great! Tell him we said hello and happy Hanukah and Merry Christmas!!"

You too doods!! !

It's not the belief. A Muslim man was killed for saying a Happy Easter to his Western Brothers in the US this year. He was an upstanding man of the community and much beloved. It is believed to be a hate crime due to the threats to his life.

A man of peace, faith and gave good wishes, murdered for it. That's a sick guy that did it...not the belief system.

just like how the big lie was invented, the big sickness also came into being.

Until people start to accept responsibility, accept others, it will never change.

Too much blaming others for everything....it's the Christians, it's the Jews, It's the Muslims, it's the people of no faith in higher beings....it's never *MY* fault.

I wonder what non-dysfunctional worlds god created since his big mistake with humanity?

I do not think we are a mistake.

ok, I can entertain the possibility that god is beyond making mistakes, but from down here it surely FEELs like a mistake more often than not.

Well, yeah...I fell like the afterbirth of creativity most days. I getcha. I just don't try to confine such a grand concept to such small absolutes.

God had nothing to do with how life turned out on this planet. What you see are physical and chemical processes which operate according to physical laws. The human race is a happenstance. If it were possible to turn the clock back four billion years, there is a good chance that living beings like us would not happen. We are a successful primate species. So far so good. Since physical laws have no ethical content whatsoever, your displeasure is the consequence of subjective factors. The are no moral or ethical facts. Physical laws imply no moral or ethical standards. There are only moral and ethical judgments made by people who either made up the moral and ethical rules or received them from people who made them up. All there really is energy which flows through spacetime.

Read Epicurus on this matter. He deconstructs the idea of the gods easily. The stumbling block is the existence of evil.

If god can prevent evil why is there evil If god can not prevent evil, why should we worship it. If god can prevent evil but refuses to do so, that god is malicious. If god neither wishes to prevent evil nor can it, then why bother with god?

after listening to some Vince Guaraldi, I feel better about the state of humanity. there are probably zillions of worlds that do not/did not have anything like Vince on them.

Just kinda curious as to why you are intent on proving a subjective belief is a bad thing and wrong. Why is this such a problem with all people. Nobody is happy unless they believe as everybody else does. Homogeneity at all costs.

I am overjoyed that I do not partake of the nonsense that hobbles, cripples and kills much of the human race. I do not believe as everyone else does. That is because I am intelligent, rational, logical and a pain in the ass. I am the little boy who told the Emperor that he was bare ass naked.

That's good for you. But it is an elitist point of view since, instead of saying why you think an idea is good for you. But, almost all of it was tearing one thing down to support yourself. It's something I see a lot of.

It's almost never, "I believe this for this reason."

It's almost always contentious and with a point of view of looking down on another such as saying it is hobbling and such. It's almost always some sort of reason from some cobbled set of ideals that say that the other is wrong.

People don't like it when the radical religious followers do it, so why is it ok for an atheist to do it?

What shall I say to the Marching Morons who are either in charge of wrecking the world or voting for such people. I am surrounded by mostly idiots. I can do two things: I can be silent about it or I can tell others what I am seeing. Which shall it be. I won't be silent, that is for sure.

How about say nothing if you have noting nice to say? You think you're right. There is no way of knowing. But, you want to say anything you want regardless of circumstance? You think it's ok to bag on people just because you think you hold the superior position?

Oooops, closed off all avenues of discourse by making that statement....so, nothing to see here....

You do realize that sounds just like every bigot I have ever known. And, I grew up a lot in the south in the 60s.

here we go.

In what way? It is a bigoted position. It reserves no rights for others and their opinions. It reserves no rights to independent thought and belief.

It is flatly stated that the poster will not be quiet. The poster says he/she is right, everybody else is wrong. That is proselytizing.

And, I see them a lot on the trains in NYC...telling everybody their opinion regardless.