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30 Apr 2016, 10:09 pm

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Bill preyed on women under him all the while Hillary enabled this behavior, he fits the profile of a predator
If you have proof, then take it to court. Otherwise, you're just defaming the character of the Clinton's, as your master "The Donald" would want you to.

In other words, "All talk, no action".


Monica Lewinsky worked under Bill Clinton, Paula Jones worked under Bill Clinton, Juanita Broderick was a campaign volunteer for Bill Clinton, Kathleen Wiley worked in the White House under Bill Clinton. There is a clear and definite pattern of abuse by an individual that used his power and status to prey on women he had no respect at all for as he has no respect for any "little people". This has been taken to the court, Bill paid Paula Jones $800,000 after a long battle and was disbarred. Bad, bad people. I grew up in the era of the Clinton scandals, the worlds different place where you can't just shame a woman into silence by calling her a money grubbing whore as the Clintons did to the women Bill victimized. Hillary started her campaign out in 2015 saying that victims of sexual assault deserved to be heard, believed, and supported. I agree and we start with her husband.


Newt Gingrich was a serial philanderer who claimed to represent family values, and yet left a trail of broken marriages and traumatized ex wives behind him. Does your outrage extend to Gingrich? How about Denny Hastert? Despite being a defender of family values, he was a serial child molester who was caught by his own Homeland security laws when sneaking large amounts of money to silence his victims. The difference between them and Clinton is, unlike those two, Clinton had never hypocritically hidden behind the family values rhetoric while committing misdeeds.


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30 Apr 2016, 10:50 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Bill preyed on women under him all the while Hillary enabled this behavior, he fits the profile of a predator
If you have proof, then take it to court. Otherwise, you're just defaming the character of the Clinton's, as your master "The Donald" would want you to.

In other words, "All talk, no action".


Monica Lewinsky worked under Bill Clinton, Paula Jones worked under Bill Clinton, Juanita Broderick was a campaign volunteer for Bill Clinton, Kathleen Wiley worked in the White House under Bill Clinton. There is a clear and definite pattern of abuse by an individual that used his power and status to prey on women he had no respect at all for as he has no respect for any "little people". This has been taken to the court, Bill paid Paula Jones $800,000 after a long battle and was disbarred. Bad, bad people. I grew up in the era of the Clinton scandals, the worlds different place where you can't just shame a woman into silence by calling her a money grubbing whore as the Clintons did to the women Bill victimized. Hillary started her campaign out in 2015 saying that victims of sexual assault deserved to be heard, believed, and supported. I agree and we start with her husband.


Newt Gingrich was a serial philanderer who claimed to represent family values, and yet left a trail of broken marriages and traumatized ex wives behind him. Does your outrage extend to Gingrich? How about Denny Hastert? Despite being a defender of family values, he was a serial child molester who was caught by his own Homeland security laws when sneaking large amounts of money to silence his victims. The difference between them and Clinton is, unlike those two, Clinton had never hypocritically hidden behind the family values rhetoric while committing misdeeds.


He and his wife hide behind the guise that they're champions for 'women's rights' while committing these misdeeds, they're just as hypocritical. Hasert is meeting justice, Bubba is much too powerful to ever be held accountable.



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01 May 2016, 12:35 am

Jacoby wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
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Bill preyed on women under him all the while Hillary enabled this behavior, he fits the profile of a predator
If you have proof, then take it to court. Otherwise, you're just defaming the character of the Clinton's, as your master "The Donald" would want you to.

In other words, "All talk, no action".


Monica Lewinsky worked under Bill Clinton, Paula Jones worked under Bill Clinton, Juanita Broderick was a campaign volunteer for Bill Clinton, Kathleen Wiley worked in the White House under Bill Clinton. There is a clear and definite pattern of abuse by an individual that used his power and status to prey on women he had no respect at all for as he has no respect for any "little people". This has been taken to the court, Bill paid Paula Jones $800,000 after a long battle and was disbarred. Bad, bad people. I grew up in the era of the Clinton scandals, the worlds different place where you can't just shame a woman into silence by calling her a money grubbing whore as the Clintons did to the women Bill victimized. Hillary started her campaign out in 2015 saying that victims of sexual assault deserved to be heard, believed, and supported. I agree and we start with her husband.


Newt Gingrich was a serial philanderer who claimed to represent family values, and yet left a trail of broken marriages and traumatized ex wives behind him. Does your outrage extend to Gingrich? How about Denny Hastert? Despite being a defender of family values, he was a serial child molester who was caught by his own Homeland security laws when sneaking large amounts of money to silence his victims. The difference between them and Clinton is, unlike those two, Clinton had never hypocritically hidden behind the family values rhetoric while committing misdeeds.


He and his wife hide behind the guise that they're champions for 'women's rights' while committing these misdeeds, they're just as hypocritical. Hasert is meeting justice, Bubba is much too powerful to ever be held accountable.


Again, Bill Clinton has never been convicted of anything, and has stayed married to his wife.


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01 May 2016, 3:17 am

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Bill never marketed a product called "Time alone in a room with Bill Clinton" and if he did, my mom wouldn't buy it as she is happily married and not a Clinton fan.

Would you spend your college fund on a Trump University Degree?


Bill preyed on women under him all the while Hillary enabled this behavior, he fits the profile of a predator

No. He fits the profile of a serial philanderer. I've never heard of so much as an accusation that he hit on someone twice after it was made clear that they weren't interested. The fact that he used his position of power makes him guilty of harassment, not rape.

Trump, on the other hand, has made it perfectly clear that he sees women as nothing more than accessories for men, something like a woman might view a very nice purse than can talk back to her. He has made it clear that he'll sacrifice women's bodily autonomy for politics, even if he has no great personal qualms about abortion. He parrots nonsense about making Mexico pay for a wall; he says that 'No Muslims should be able to enter the country,' conveniently forgetting that this would exclude some of the American soldiers who have fought for this country as well as other citizens; he has mocked people with disabilities - and do not for a second pretend that he'll be more sympathetic towards people with mental disabilities than he is to those with physical ones - he has pandered to white supremacists with dogwhistles and refused to condemn the KKK, a terrorist organization; he has all but incited riots at his rallies. He's a careless hothead who is so easy to prod into flying off the handle ('small hands') that he'd likely get us into a war by accident, let alone what will happen when he nukes norther Iraq to 'get rid of Isis.' Can you imagine him trying to negotiate with a nuclear-armed North Korea, run by a spoiled teenager of his own caliber?



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01 May 2016, 4:07 am

The US cares too much about private life. Bill's biggest mistake, was even entertaining the House then lying.

Anyone would think the US population follows the 1 Commandment. Or maybe the 2-3. There is a lot of moral hypocrisy.

On the other hand Hilliary and Bill used to be against gay marriage. Or at least this was the official position.

Hilliary's position changed almost exactly when public option of the matter changed, like the 50% threshold. It seems too much like political opportunism to me.



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01 May 2016, 4:18 am

Despite what the rest of the world often thinks, the people of America aren't stupid. They will not elect Donald Trump.

Hilary Clinton is far from perfect, but get used to it: she will be the next President of the United States.



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01 May 2016, 4:24 am

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The fact that he used his position of power makes him guilty of harassment, not rape.


I'm sorry if I'm not following. I'm not aware of every detail, but nobody but the two knows for sure. As I understood it was consensual.

What exactly makes him guilty of harassment? Simply being powerful?

As I understand Monica had feeling for him even after Linda Tripp exposed him, she maintain that there was mutual interaction. Whereas Bill tried imply it was more one way.



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02 May 2016, 11:27 am

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The fact that he used his position of power makes him guilty of harassment, not rape.


I'm sorry if I'm not following. I'm not aware of every detail, but nobody but the two knows for sure. As I understood it was consensual.

What exactly makes him guilty of harassment? Simply being powerful?

As I understand Monica had feeling for him even after Linda Tripp exposed him, she maintain that there was mutual interaction. Whereas Bill tried imply it was more one way.

Hitting on someone who is your subordinate carries the implicit possibility of reward for compliance and punishment for non-compliance, and even if consensual is unfair to all of the people who can't trade sex for favors due to being the wrong sex, wrong age, wrong hair color, or whatever.



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02 May 2016, 3:14 pm

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Hitting on someone who is your subordinate carries the implicit possibility of reward for compliance and punishment for non-compliance, and even if consensual is unfair to all of the people who can't trade sex for favors due to being the wrong sex, wrong age, wrong hair color, or whatever.


None of this meets the legal definition of harassment, for good reason. Due process is paramount.

You are implying that Lewinsky was only complying becuase she feared she would be punished. This doesn't stack up to her own account of the events.

Whether you think it was an abuse of his power or inappropriate is another matter. However it doesn't mean a crime has taken place.

Throwing accusations of harassment casually potentially degrades important legal standards that protect us all.

I think it also comes down to what consent means. I think some people want a flexible definition of consent, to exclude temporary infatuation or conditional consent that can be retrospectively withdrawn or these being is somehow legally equivalent to coercion. I'm sorry but there is no way the law could every be blind in such instances, it is far too subjective.

Legal consent only concerns whether or not the two parties was willing at the time (provided they can legally consent as most adults can), any other background is irrelevant, such as if either party had misrepresented themselves. Legal harassment, requires actual acts. Not simply being a superior.

Whether or not it unfair on others who can't trade sex is also irrelevant. However in this case, who is being unfair? Both parties are exploiting this fact.

We have to have some semblance of sense when it comes to these matters. The lack of ability to see the possibility joint enterprise shows a bias.



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02 May 2016, 3:29 pm

There is a reason why we have separate crimes and categories of offense.

So for instance if someone purposely infects somebody with an STD, under UK law this amounts to Grievous Bodily Harm under the Offenses against the Person Act.



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02 May 2016, 10:06 pm

When a white person shoots up a black church, white folks are not asked to apologize and disavow his conduct. That is always assumed. White people are treated as though they have a diversity of opinions and viewpoints while people of color are pigeonholed.



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02 May 2016, 10:14 pm

Finally it happens ...

Trump has beaten Clinton in a hypothetical general election match-up poll.
Also Trump won a hypothetical Indiana general election match-up poll

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Rasmussen Reports Clinton 39, Trump 41 Trump +2
Indiana: Trump vs. Clinton NBC/WSJ/Marist Trump 48, Clinton 41 Trump +7

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... s_general/



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03 May 2016, 1:25 am

Trump is on track to get more primary votes than any other GOP nominee in history .....

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... re-voting/



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03 May 2016, 12:37 pm

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Over here in the UK everyone I have spoken to genuinely thinks Trump swings between being really looney and prospectively a very scary prospect for the world as a POTUS. I am not making this up to support any argument i promise I have not met one person over here who doesn`t think he`s a megalomaniac

The only slight relief is that there realistically is a large majority of sane Americans who will ultimately vote him down.
I even see Republicans voting against him or abstaining.

I would even have Dubya in preference to Trump (that is saying something!) as at least that chimp had advisors ... Trump does not really listen to anyone.

At the moment Trump is gaining a large majority of a significant but small minority who will not ultimately gain enough votes over the US to win.... especially without Republican backing.

Still scares me though because crazy s**t happens in US elections ... remember Bush and the `hanging chads` craziness

The UK is a SJW sh*thole. As much as I love things that comes out of England, such as Doctor Who; the UK sucks.



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03 May 2016, 1:20 pm

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Over here in the UK everyone I have spoken to genuinely thinks Trump swings between being really looney and prospectively a very scary prospect for the world as a POTUS. I am not making this up to support any argument i promise I have not met one person over here who doesn`t think he`s a megalomaniac

The only slight relief is that there realistically is a large majority of sane Americans who will ultimately vote him down.
I even see Republicans voting against him or abstaining.

I would even have Dubya in preference to Trump (that is saying something!) as at least that chimp had advisors ... Trump does not really listen to anyone.

At the moment Trump is gaining a large majority of a significant but small minority who will not ultimately gain enough votes over the US to win.... especially without Republican backing.

Still scares me though because crazy s**t happens in US elections ... remember Bush and the `hanging chads` craziness

The UK is a SJW sh*thole. As much as I love things that comes out of England, such as Doctor Who; the UK sucks.


Yup. And don't forget this little gem.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sout ... e-28934963

Now...I don't think those from the UK have any leg to stand on criticizing Trump when literally, thousands of British girls have been gang raped by the same people Trump goes after. But I don't know. I've never been over there. Maybe the mass of rape of 7-12 year girls is the "in" thing. The cool thing to do now in Britain. :roll:



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03 May 2016, 1:26 pm

It's fun and funny to see how WP has been getting more and more Trump supporters.