The problem of SJWs

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SJWs eliminate themselves with their isolating extremism, walking Poe's Law. Guilt as a political motivator and doctrine is the epitome of privilege, it's an untenable position.

That crazy chick that shot Andy Warhol had those views. Read her manifesto. She tried to start SCUM. That was an acronym for The Society for Cutting Up Men. No s**t.

Yes, there will always be people whose approach is different than mine. Sometimes their approach is to start a riot, or commit a mass shooting. But let's not talk about that; it's just a different approach, that's all. There's nothing to be said or done about such things.

And I don't buy that "If you're not with us you're against us" mentality. I'm not advocating police brutality, systemic discrimination etc., nor am I responsible for it. I have nothing to do with it.

Deal with them how? Rational discourse. Creating movements that are truly advocating social justice. Talking about the real systemic problems instead of making up fake ones. There are systemic problems, and poverty is a big problem too which should definitely be addressed. You keep acting like I don't believe such things.

Also, like I've said, I created this thread because I wanted to explain why I disagree with the approach of SJWs and have a discussion about it. It's not a red herring to talk about the topic of discussion.

In fact, you're the one using a red herring, by attempting to change the original topic of discussion to, "Well, what are you gonna do about it?" That's irrelevant to whether or not BLM and SJWs are a problem. Plus, I don't have to do anything, as like I said I am in no way responsible for it.

You seem to think that my view is that SJWs are the ONLY problem there is. That's absurd. Where did I even imply such a thing? You're continually calling me hateful, even though I actually agree with you that there are real problems.

What I'm saying is this: SJWs are taking the focus away from the real problems within the system, and instead making up ones that don't exist, and thus they are doing more harm than good.

There is no epidemic of racist police murdering blacks in America. Police brutality? Yes. Lack of police accountability? Yes. Poverty that leads to high crime rates in the first place? Yes.

But widespread systemic racism and tons of racist cops? Not by a long shot.

SJWs do talk about real issues from time to time, but from what I've seen they mainly talk about how they feel about issues or about what somebody said or typed or what they saw on tv or heard on the radio or they read in the paper or noticed someone apparantly thinking or anything like that and simply being offended by it. They seem to focus more on hurt feelings than they do anything else, and frankly it's childish and takes the focus completely away from things that have an impact on people regardless of emotion. They also give just as much shrillness, hysteria and credence to someone's feelings being hurt as they do to someone being shot for no reason and to be honest that's just unbalanced.

Last year I heard about a charity organisation who was collecting funds to have the thousands of backlogged rape kits in Detroit tested, so I sent them a small amount of money (I am poor, so I only ever have very small amounts of money to spare, if any at all--so this is how I give to charities to do with issues that matter to me, I give small amounts when I can when I learn about them). Seeking justice for rape victims is something I care about, so when I found out there was a way I could concretely contribute to that issue, I did. (It's so sad--and infuriating--when they test these things, because we see how many rapists are repeat offenders and how easily they could have been caught sooner before they hurt so many women, if police departments and prosecutors were actually doing their jobs and making use of evidence provided to them by victims and investigating and prosecuting sex crimes.) Does this mean I lost my SJW cred as a feminist, because I actually acted about an issue that matters to me?

To the OP: when was the last time, as an anti-SJW, you made a concrete action in regards to an issue you care about (other than posting on internet forums about how much you hate SJWs)? Maybe if you took more concrete actions more often, there wouldn't be so many SJWs to bother you because some of the issues they talk about would disappear because more people like you would actually take action to correct them instead of just complaining about people who complain about (and act on) those issues?

They do talk about real issues.

But when they set their facebook/news feed/twitter feeds and tv-channels to collect all kinds of "man hurting woman" news from the entire world, being exposed to this on a daily basis and by the hour....then over time they would definitely end up hating all men.
MRAs fall in the same self trap.
This steady, non ending of daily extreme-focus on one category of bad news would certainly affect our psychology.

It is almost inevitable for the human brain.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/08/wh ... to-us.html

It doesn't matter. Everything you've said is totally irrelevant to the topic of discussion. Whether or not I decide to take "concrete action" on my beliefs makes no difference on the issues being discussed here. My goal here is not to "make a difference"; I just wanted to have a conversation with others about SJWs, and put forth my ideas about why I think they are a problem.

If you're so butthurt about my opinion then why are you here? You don't have to be here. And clearly you don't want to consider what I'm saying with an open mind, or share your opinions on what I or others here have actually said. Instead, you seek to change the subject to my supposed lack of taking action on my beliefs, which is not only impossible for you to verify, but is utterly inconsequential.

Instead of complaining about my complaining about SJWs' complaining about stupid s**t, on a forum full of people with disordered brains, shouldn't YOU be taking some more concrete action? You're wasting valuable time on the internet talking to a fool like me, when that time could be spent donating small sums of money to charity, and subsequently patting yourself on the back.

I wouldn't say that people within WP have "disordered brains."

I don't have a "disordered brain." I'm just a weirdo LOL

Language is such in flux these days! In 2010, there were no "selfies," and there were no "SJW's!"

L_Holmes

So, how are you not like the people you're whining about?

I think who appears butthurt in this discussion is up for debate.

I'm not going to lie: it feels good to do charitable things, and that's why we do them. It's ultimately a selfish act, any form of altruism is essentially selfish.

However, it's a selfish act that has the consequence of helping someone else; so it's the kind of selfish act that I feel OK choosing.

So what if it's selfish? So what if your intentions are not 100% altruistic?

If something benefits somebody else, it's less selfish than anything that doesn't benefit anybody.

That was kind of my point, just worded slightly differently. But thank you for reiterating.

Once again, it is irrelevant. Stop changing the subject to me. All it does is make you look like you don't know what you're talking about.

Well, have fun whining.

Here's the problems:

1- SJW is an absurdly vague term. It means nothing. You can call anyone you want an SJW. Provide a clear definition of who and what you are talking about.

2- You have yet to provide one cogent argument as to how this vague, unaffiliated group prevents you, or anyone else, from effectively advocating for anti-poverty measures.

3 - BLM is a movement which traces its origins to the Michael Brown/Ferguson disaster, two years ago. They are a new and, so far, incredibly stupid movement. So what? Hopefully someone with a half an ounce of brains will take over. If not, big deal. Again, they in no way prevent you or anyone else from advocating for rational approaches to these problems.

4- You have yet to acknowledge any of the amazing advances that have taken place. Not one word about the 75% of African Americans who have left the inner cities or at least achieved self sufficiency which puts them above the poverty line. Nothing about the great reduction in violence in the US. SJWs haven't prevented these things from happening.

5- You seem to understand nothing of the real changes which have made poverty in the inner cities more difficult to deal with. White flight. Black flight. The demographic shifts which define a community like Ferguson. The fraudulent education which contributes to the creation of a thug like Michael Brown. How, exactly, do these vague, evil SJWs prevent you from advocating for rational change?