Do you feel Trump is our modern Hitler?
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Not to get off topic, but North Ireland is not "occupied" by Irish Protestants, as they are themselves Irish, and have the right to live in their homes as much as the Catholics do.
What I said was English Protestants. From what I understand, many citizens of Northern Ireland consider themselves British as Northern Ireland is part of the UK. But the IRA doesn't want a chunk of Ireland to be part of the UK. They want all of Ireland to be an independent republic.
Their people still have lived there for centuries, regardless of what the IRA says. What the IRA wants is ethnic cleansing, no different from that perpetrated by the Sebs in the former Yugoslavia. What would make more sense is for both sides to rid themselves from the violent extremists, and learn to live together.
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Not to get off topic, but North Ireland is not "occupied" by Irish Protestants, as they are themselves Irish, and have the right to live in their homes as much as the Catholics do.
What I said was English Protestants. From what I understand, many citizens of Northern Ireland consider themselves British as Northern Ireland is part of the UK. But the IRA doesn't want a chunk of Ireland to be part of the UK. They want all of Ireland to be an independent republic.
Their people still have lived there for centuries, regardless of what the IRA says. What the IRA wants is ethnic cleansing, no different from that perpetrated by the Sebs in the former Yugoslavia. What would make more sense is for both sides to rid themselves from the violent extremists, and learn to live together.
This has nothing to do with what I was talking about. What I was saying is would people get all PC over pointing out the IRA are Irish. I picked the IRA because it primarily consists of white male christians. And I doubt someone talking about them in those descriptive terms in general would upset the PC police much had have them going on about bigoted racist terminology.
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He's just a legacy dictator; say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, at least those guys built their own totalitarian state.
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Not to get off topic, but North Ireland is not "occupied" by Irish Protestants, as they are themselves Irish, and have the right to live in their homes as much as the Catholics do.
What I said was English Protestants. From what I understand, many citizens of Northern Ireland consider themselves British as Northern Ireland is part of the UK. But the IRA doesn't want a chunk of Ireland to be part of the UK. They want all of Ireland to be an independent republic.
Their people still have lived there for centuries, regardless of what the IRA says. What the IRA wants is ethnic cleansing, no different from that perpetrated by the Sebs in the former Yugoslavia. What would make more sense is for both sides to rid themselves from the violent extremists, and learn to live together.
This has nothing to do with what I was talking about. What I was saying is would people get all PC over pointing out the IRA are Irish. I picked the IRA because it primarily consists of white male christians. And I doubt someone talking about them in those descriptive terms in general would upset the PC police much had have them going on about bigoted racist terminology.
Okay; sorry, but you know us Aspies not getting the point when it's written on a skyscraper!
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He's like Hitler, but he's not THAT much like Hitler.
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You'd have to go back and study what the american government have done to various parts of the world since Hitler vacated the premises and then decide how bad Trump can get in comparison to what's come before him, not as though it'd be something radical if he committed atrocities in the name of the free world (and if it wasn't america it'd be someone else running their own show). Go back a decade and check what Cheney and Bush did to smear the shining beacon of hope that is america, surely you can put them under a magnifying glass and deem that period of time akin to a 'modern nazi regime' if you're labeling Trump that before he's even got behind the wheel and mowed anyone down. One disturbing thing is that he's repeatedly stated he'd go beyond waterboarding yet not decided how he'd improve the process that says who needs waterboarding, Gitmo is an absolute cluster**** if you research it for a couple hours, some people were literally just picked up by vague association and lost a lot of their life because it was making america safer. Bush kept the country safe at a high price for some folk, and there's still innumerable holes in their presentation of what actually happened that crappy day anyway, I don't know how Trump would outdo just that period for starters, he'd have to really mess up to drag things down further than that. Not like it'd be a new concept for america to screw up just because it's donald trump at the helm. I'm interested in who he surrounds himself with, Kissinger was a brilliant scumbag but an utter sociopath.
Clinton wanted to accept humongous crowds of refugees with open arms, Trump simply does not want to take such a risk but I've never got the impression he intends to deem them all as subhuman, he is open to supporting safe zones far away from his own borders and engage dialogue with states in the region, doesn't sound like a man who couldn't give a hoot for the plights of fellow humans. I don't know what his intentions are with the wall but I suspect he was negotiating from the start and will tone right down to something actually workable, when he said ''all'' muslims I thought he was acting like a cartoon character or something, he was playing the game in a very interesting way, people will think he's becoming more presidential and reasonable when he actually started off 'there' in the first place.
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Trump is not any kind of "Hitler". His actions as President will be well constrained by the U.S. Constitution. Hitler was possible in Germany because the Germans had little experience with constitutional republican government. The Weimar Constitution was established in 1919 and was essentially terminate in 1935 when Hitler was granted "emergency powers" which made him a dictator. This cannot happen in the United States. The U.S. constitution was established in 1787 and has been in effect 239 years. Even the Civil War did not break it. In the U.S. we are accustomed to living under a Constitutional Republic and even the stresses of a civil war and several severe economic depressions has not broken it.
The Democrats would love to get rid of him. The core Republicans do not particularly like him. If he ever gives a reason for impeachment both Democrats and Republicans will be all over him like ants at a picnic. He would then be very likely removed from office. The odds are that Trump is here to stay for 4 years. Get used to it. And don't forget who and what is vice president. It is in your interest to wish Trump well.
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After reading this, I am leaning more toward yes:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... cy-theory/
A persecution complex in someone holding the most powerful office in the land and perhaps the world is never a good thing, and is a sign of lashing out to come.
It can happen here.
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The Democrats would love to get rid of him. The core Republicans do not particularly like him. If he ever gives a reason for impeachment both Democrats and Republicans will be all over him like ants at a picnic. He would then be very likely removed from office. The odds are that Trump is here to stay for 4 years. Get used to it. And don't forget who and what is vice president. It is in your interest to wish Trump well.
He isn't even president yet, and he already has grounds for impeachment.
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25th amendment has lots to say, and it may well speak within a short while-
Section 4: Vice Presidential–Cabinet declaration-
Section 4 is the only part of the amendment that has never been invoked.[24] It allows the Vice President, together with a majority of either "the principal officers of the executive departments" (i.e., the Cabinet) or of "such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the President disabled by submitting a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. As with Section 3, the Vice President would become Acting President.
Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the President's incapacitation prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration called for by Section 3. The President may resume exercising the Presidential duties by sending a written declaration to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House.
Should the Vice President and Cabinet believe the President is still disabled, they may within four days of the President's declaration submit another declaration that the President is incapacitated. If not already in session, the Congress must then assemble within 48 hours. The Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. If within the 21 days two-thirds of each house of Congress vote that the President is incapacitated, the Vice President would "continue" to be Acting President. Should the Congress resolve the issue in favor of the President, or make no decision within the 21 days allotted, then the President would "resume" discharging the powers and duties of his office. The use of the words "continue" and "resume" imply that the Vice President remains Acting President while Congress deliberates.
However, the President may again submit a written declaration of recovery to the President pro tempore and the Speaker of the House. That declaration could be responded to by the Acting President and the Cabinet in the same way as stated earlier. The specified 21-day Congressional procedure would start again.
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