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20 Dec 2016, 6:15 am

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Who says purveyors of fake news would be shut down? That would be a violation of freedom of press. Fake news is combated by being identified, refuted, and ridiculed.
If there was a law that the purveyors of fake news must be shut down, it would inevitably be used to shut down the purveyors of true news.


Agreed.


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20 Dec 2016, 6:09 pm

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It is utterly laughable that the mainstream/corporate media that lies to us on an endless basis and is purely a mouthpiece for the government and our 'allies' has been droning on about fake news. This has occurred because 'fake news' aka inconvenient truths the media kept forgetting to mention, cost their golden girl the US election.



No, your idea is ridiculous and it only leads to degeneration. Consider this: if the mainstream news is all government conspiracy, and fake news is now starting to get mainstreamed, doesn't that mean it's also part of the government conspiracy? The problem is you people have deluded yourselves so much that you will just take any truth to be a lie.


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20 Dec 2016, 7:46 pm

A carpet burn seems more effective right now than tipping the iceberg in favour of Obama's lasting legacy, which purportedly, means unsewing the NATO deals that made Iran uphold their sanctions and seemingly, letting chaos unfold into more squared untimely chaos, like some Russian unfinished business.

As for future relationships here, I think people should back their own conspiracy theories and let alliances build on securing equal arrangements that benefit a wider proportion, instead of a smaller margin that singles out social interests or disagreements.



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21 Dec 2016, 4:41 pm

Yet another fake "hate crime":

U-M student made up story about man threatening to burn hjiab, police say

ANN ARBOR, Mich. (WXYZ - Ann Arbor police say a report of ethnic intimidation involving a woman wearing a hijab did not actually happen.

According to police, a University of Michigan student told police on she was approached by a man who threatened to set her hijab on fire if she didn't remove it. It happened on Nov. 11.

She then said the suspect pulled out a lighter, so she removed her hijab before he ran away on foot.

Police say detectives have been working with the U of M Police Department and the FBI. They have conducted multiple interviews and reviewed multiple surveillance videos.

"During the investigation, numerous inconsistencies in the statements provided by the alleged victim were identified," police said in a release.

Detectives then determined the incident did not happen.


http://www.wxyz.com/news/u-m-student-ma ... police-say


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21 Dec 2016, 10:59 pm

About that burnt church...

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BREAKING: Bishop says man charged with burning black Mississippi church is a member of the church.

https://twitter.com/ap/status/811680005898039297

it really seems like a lot of these 'hate crimes' are actually hoaxes...



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21 Dec 2016, 11:14 pm

^ If it weren't for fake hate crimes, there might be no hate crimes at all.


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21 Dec 2016, 11:37 pm

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^ If it weren't for fake hate crimes, there might be no hate crimes at all.


Really? You're saying that hate crimes are non-existent?


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21 Dec 2016, 11:38 pm

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About that burnt church...

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The Associated Press Verified account
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BREAKING: Bishop says man charged with burning black Mississippi church is a member of the church.

https://twitter.com/ap/status/811680005898039297

it really seems like a lot of these 'hate crimes' are actually hoaxes...


No, it just means that one is.


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22 Dec 2016, 2:45 am

How many of these "Trump emboldened hate crimes" have turned out to be hoaxes so far? 6? 8? The girl on the train in NYC, the girl who claimed someone threatened to set her hijab on fire, the black church, the Asian college student...


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22 Dec 2016, 3:08 am

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How many of these "Trump emboldened hate crimes" have turned out to be hoaxes so far? 6? 8? The girl on the train in NYC, the girl who claimed someone threatened to set her hijab on fire, the black church, the Asian college student...


Then it's six or eight. Trump's less than desirable supporters are still batting in the three hundreds, if not higher.
Over in Whitefish, Montana, The Daily Stormer is waging an internet war against that community's Jewish population, because they allege the Jews are pressuring the mother of Alt Right leader Richard Spencer to sell her business and give the proceeds to a Jewish charity. These a$$holes have released the names, addresses, and phone numbers of Whitefish's Jewish community, complete with photos with Holocaust yellow stars - including a photo of a child. To remind you, Richard Spencer was that jackass who held an Alt Right rally in DC, right after Trump's election, in which he led the audience in crying out: "Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail Victory (that's English for Sieg Heil)!"
Yes Virginia, hate crimes and racial harassment are happening.


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22 Dec 2016, 11:08 am

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Seems like this is the place for this new Black Pigeon video, rather than a new thread.



Rather important point noted: if they find a way to crack down on "fake news", this can be literally used to shut down any publication they don't like. Editorialised? Wrong conclusion drawn? Fake news. Shut it down.

Are people with guns coming and telling them what to say? If not, quit your infantile bitching. Or are you saying nobody has the right to call BS BS? I don't think you know what you're saying. :roll:



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22 Dec 2016, 4:49 pm

I'm saying any tactic that can be used to suppress lies can also be used to suppress truth and anyone who trusts the government of all things or NGOs to tell you which is which is a fool.

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Or are you saying nobody has the right to call BS BS?


They did. It didn't work. If saying "that isn't true" was enough, they wouldn't be making a fuss about "fake news" right now. They aren't just going to tell people something is BS, they are going to censor it, remove it from the public eye and they will use these tools on truthful pieces, they already do in parts of Europe.


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22 Dec 2016, 8:12 pm

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Coincidence? The towers were full of asbestos making them utterly worthless. So one of the Israelis who was there to film the first plane hit the tower and then celebrated, and was arrested with traces of explosives in the van after being seen in the towers the day before is all just coincidence?
OK so let's imagine he had a kidney transplant, that doesn't mean he was responsible for 9/11. Any evidence that was actually Bin Laden? Oh no wait, he was killed and chucked into the ocean. Dead men tell no tales....

Bin Laden confessed freely in 2004.

If that's not enough, there also considerable evidence that the hijackers were men with links to Al-Qaeda.

There's no evidence to suggest that there were any celebrating Israelis or that they filmed the first plane hitting the tower. Anyone who suggests otherwise is either grossly misinformed, lying, bigoted, or incapable of distinguishing reality from fantasy, or some combination of those.


Can you show me the evidence that it was definitely Bin Laden speaking and it wasn't doctored please? Until he's proven guilty in court he's guilty of nothing. Oh wait, they apparently shot the hell out of him and dumped him in the sea. Nothing dodgy there at all :roll:

What evidence is that? And what is Al Qaeda?

You posted a link from a debunking site that wrote about the Israelis!! ! But it shot itself in the foot and showed they had prior knowledge. They were holding up lighters celebrating, like they were at a rock concert. Obviously you didn't watch the video I posted. If I said it was some white supremacists, would you say I was bigoted?


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22 Dec 2016, 8:15 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Coincidence? The towers were full of asbestos making them utterly worthless. So one of the Israelis who was there to film the first plane hit the tower and then celebrated, and was arrested with traces of explosives in the van after being seen in the towers the day before is all just coincidence?
OK so let's imagine he had a kidney transplant, that doesn't mean he was responsible for 9/11. Any evidence that was actually Bin Laden? Oh no wait, he was killed and chucked into the ocean. Dead men tell no tales....


I do not believe the Israelis were behind 9/11, or that Bin Laden was innocent of that attack. I have not seen or heard of any convincing evidence to sway my opinion.
Why would the Israelis even want to risk losing their most important allie with such a scheme?


You don't want to believe it. They can get away with whatever they want. They didn't do it behind the backs of the top dogs in the US. It was only the lower staff in the FBI and police that were left furious. The CIA etc knew all about the hijackers beforehand, bit like they did with the latest attack in Germany.


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22 Dec 2016, 8:18 pm

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It is utterly laughable that the mainstream/corporate media that lies to us on an endless basis and is purely a mouthpiece for the government and our 'allies' has been droning on about fake news. This has occurred because 'fake news' aka inconvenient truths the media kept forgetting to mention, cost their golden girl the US election.



No, your idea is ridiculous and it only leads to degeneration. Consider this: if the mainstream news is all government conspiracy, and fake news is now starting to get mainstreamed, doesn't that mean it's also part of the government conspiracy? The problem is you people have deluded yourselves so much that you will just take any truth to be a lie.


"Fake news" is getting mainstreamed by being called "fake news" :roll: Speak for yourself. Your heroes are panicking. Remember when 'real news' told us all the lies about both gulf wars, Libya and Syria and forgot to mention Yemen?


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24 Dec 2016, 12:54 am

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Coincidence? The towers were full of asbestos making them utterly worthless. So one of the Israelis who was there to film the first plane hit the tower and then celebrated, and was arrested with traces of explosives in the van after being seen in the towers the day before is all just coincidence?
OK so let's imagine he had a kidney transplant, that doesn't mean he was responsible for 9/11. Any evidence that was actually Bin Laden? Oh no wait, he was killed and chucked into the ocean. Dead men tell no tales....


I do not believe the Israelis were behind 9/11, or that Bin Laden was innocent of that attack. I have not seen or heard of any convincing evidence to sway my opinion.
Why would the Israelis even want to risk losing their most important allie with such a scheme?


You don't want to believe it. They can get away with whatever they want. They didn't do it behind the backs of the top dogs in the US. It was only the lower staff in the FBI and police that were left furious. The CIA etc knew all about the hijackers beforehand, bit like they did with the latest attack in Germany.


No, I know the Israelis weren't going to plan an attack against us, because they'd know they'd risk cutting themselves off from their sugar daddy. Al Qaeda, on the other hand, had absolutely nor problem in attacking us, as that's the whole reason why a terrorist organization exists.
But seriously, why are you so dismissive of Muslim terrorists attacking us, but so eager to accuse the Israelis of guilt?


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