Ghost-Sensitive People: What are your experiences?

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Adamantium
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16 Feb 2017, 9:22 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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I don't understand what you mean by embarrassing dilemma.

It means a lot of things end up changing as a consequence whether you want them to or not, and in that math you pay certain social prices as well.


When I was young, I used to dismiss all accounts of such phenomena with the phrase, "If I see it, I'll believe it."

Then I saw and sometimes heard some peculiar and inexplicable things.

At times, the experience was shared with groups of people who all experienced the same peculiar things with me, so I doubt they were hallucinations produced by fluctuations in my own sensory functions.

One such experience was shared with other people spatially, but separated by years. I thought it was my unique experience until I was describing it years later and one of the people listening had already heard a near identical apparition in the same place described by another person but three years before my own experience.

In the end, it didn't make much difference. All I can say now is that I had perceptions that I can't find logical causes for. I can't explain why I had such perceptions and I don't find the systems that I have heard proposed to explain similar experiences to be very plausible, so there isn't much to believe in.

It's another area for rational agnosticism. There may well be more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in our philosophies, but until it is dreamed of and thought through a bit, there isn't much to say about it.

Some peculiar corner of transpersonal psychology.


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16 Feb 2017, 11:20 am

I have a hard time knowing what is real or not when it comes to things I see and hear... I have been known to hallucinate. That said, there are some things I can't really deny or explain. Every now and then my cd player will turn on, play one cd from start to finish and then shut off again. Now and then I hear loud moving type noises upstairs and I'll go check because I have had a raccoon get in the house before (I'm critter paranoid now) and the rocking chair in one of the bedroom will be moving. Cupboard doors sometimes open on their own here. I used to think it was just me imagining all this since it mostly happens when I am alone, but sometimes it happens when my spouse is home and he'll be looking at me all weird asking wtf and I'm all, oh you heard that/saw that to?


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16 Feb 2017, 11:52 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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I don't understand what you mean by embarrassing dilemma.

It means a lot of things end up changing as a consequence whether you want them to or not, and in that math you pay certain social prices as well.


I doubt that would be much of a problem in my case. I'm the nonverbal guy who sits by himself rocking and stimming. Belief in the supernatural probably wouldn't tarnish my image any haha.



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16 Feb 2017, 4:53 pm

Adamantium wrote:
Some peculiar corner of transpersonal psychology.

I do feel like the stabs people are taking at it lately are getting increasingly closer.

For instance listening to Jordan Peterson's 2016 Maps of Meaning lecture series he stayed as far as he could away from that in particular and kept the conversation as much as possible along the tracks of sociology, evolutionary psychology, etc. etc.. OTOH there were a few breadcrumbs in the lecture where I caught something he was implying between them. In speaking of societies of people or tribes/colonies of animals, colonies of cells, he spoke of that as usual in terms of two-way communication up and down the pyramid. Similarly he spoke of cells in this manner and brought up some examples of proteins that were only ten or fifteen atoms in size engaging in sophisticated behaviors that didn't seem programmable. The implication I sensed from that, again nothing he said directly but rolling with the context, is that communication up and down a hierarchy won't always be by physical interaction and the forces involved may be much more intricate than we're used to expecting at that level. That's less surprising with something like, say, beliefs in a full-sized human brain and ideas getting passed by perception of sound, sight, etc.., but its stranger on a micro scale where there's no advanced brain to blame for the abstract effects.

All of that made me wonder if a lot of 'this' (the thread topic) isn't in the realm of data channels that we simply don't have a grasp on yet. It probably wouldn't be real straight-forward because when we really think about it we're dealing with something like consciousness to consciousness, or at least proto to proto, and even our grasp on things like David Chalmers' 'hard problem' are still pretty bad. There's also, speaking in such hierarchical terms, echoes of what I remember in reading Iamblicus' Theurgy of the Egyptians and the flavor of mechanics there. I think if for no other reason we really want to explore this in terms of sociology and understanding mass movements, thresholds, etc.., and the different ways you can keep a society both stable and fertile for positive innovations. It's these transpersonal currents which seem to be the one thing so few political analysts seem to be able to get their minds wrapped around and with respect to sociology it's as if we're still on miasma theory of disease (technically worse when we embrace postmodernism) when it comes to keeping cultures healthy and free of mind-viruses and monolithic/unfalsifiable ideologies.


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