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27 May 2007, 3:15 pm

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I'm an animal, and I'm proud of it. I can reason and question why and can believe something or not. Proud of it too. I don't know if other animals can or not.

From now on, I won't feel offended when someone tells me I am an animal :wink:

I agree we are part of the animal species, how can we be a different form of life?

We are just as much an animal as a tiger is. We are a different species though. In the same way that penguins and giraffes are different species. We are in no way separate from every other animal though.

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27 May 2007, 3:15 pm

I agree we are part of the animal species, how can we be a different form of life?[/quote]

Remember the alien thing? Tom Cruise might have a theory on your question. But that's another religious arena altogether. Uh, it's a religion right?

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27 May 2007, 3:18 pm

Although, Tom Cruise just might really be an alien.

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27 May 2007, 3:18 pm

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I wonder why? Seems kind of random that one "animal" -- the smartest -- has this problem, and the entire rest of the animal kingdom does not. Guess it's just a fluke, huh?

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Animals don't have Self Awareness, that disallows them of Religion and Philosophy.

Humans are the only species on earth to have self-awarness, that is why religion exists, and is exclusively human.

How conspicuous of us. It's almost as if we're special or something. We can dare to dream, but they can't.

Evolution? Natural seleccion? Maybe. I dont know
Like the dinosaurs were ruling before, humans are now.
Maybe we are not suppose to be here

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27 May 2007, 3:20 pm

LOL There's nothing 'special' about humans. Do you never watch wildlife documentaries, Ragtime?

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27 May 2007, 3:21 pm

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And why do you put the word 'animal' in inverted commas, Ragtime? Humans ARE animals. It is a fact.

But animals can't hate. And they can't decide whether or not they're animals. What makes you different?

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27 May 2007, 3:21 pm

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greenblue wrote:

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I wonder why? Seems kind of random that one "animal" -- the smartest -- has this problem, and the entire rest of the animal kingdom does not. Guess it's just a fluke, huh?

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Animals don't have Self Awareness, that disallows them of Religion and Philosophy.

Humans are the only species on earth to have self-awarness, that is why religion exists, and is exclusively human.

How conspicuous of us. It's almost as if we're special or something. We can dare to dream, but they can't.

Evolution? Natural seleccion? Maybe. I dont know
Like the dinosaurs were ruling before, humans are now.
Maybe we are not suppose to be here

We're a renegade species that is not symbiotic with rest of the planet. Dang it. Our large brains and opposing thumbs and aliens are to blame.

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27 May 2007, 3:23 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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And why do you put the word 'animal' in inverted commas, Ragtime? Humans ARE animals. It is a fact.

But animals can't hate. And they can't decide whether or not they're animals. What makes you different?

What makes me different from what? Other animals or just other humans? Other animals don't think about things on the same level that most humans do. But then there are plenty of humans that have learning disabilities or mental illnesses and are the same way. Does that mean they're inferior?

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27 May 2007, 3:25 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

And why do you put the word 'animal' in inverted commas, Ragtime? Humans ARE animals. It is a fact.

But animals can't hate. And they can't decide whether or not they're animals. What makes you different?

I had a dog who hated my neighbor. The neighbor kicked him once and that was it. If the man came near, my dogs ears laid back and you could tell he couldn't stand that guy.

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27 May 2007, 3:29 pm

Sopho wrote:

greenblue wrote:

Sayuri wrote:

I'm an animal, and I'm proud of it. I can reason and question why and can believe something or not. Proud of it too. I don't know if other animals can or not.

From now on, I won't feel offended when someone tells me I am an animal :wink:

I agree we are part of the animal species, how can we be a different form of life?

Yeah I agree, we are part of the animal kingdom, a different species, but with a notable difference from other species.

For example:
I tiger has his teeth, his claws and speed, humans don't have that, humans are physical weaker than this other species, but that compensates with the intelligence and reasoning.

Another thing. If other animals would be as self-awarness as humans are, I believe it would be conflicts and wars between humans and the other species, there would be protests against being exploited, figthing against slavery, fighting for their own freedom, for territories, etc. A horse wouldn't like having a human sitting on him, so they will object and things would get reversed.

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27 May 2007, 3:31 pm

And we all know cats would do a better job in government.

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27 May 2007, 3:34 pm

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Remember the alien thing? Tom Cruise might have a theory on your question. But that's another religious arena altogether. Uh, it's a religion right?

I think we should invite him to this debate, to see what he can offer to us
Maybe all of us will end up converting to scientology after all.
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27 May 2007, 3:35 pm

I'm not converting to anything. Although I'd rather be a Scientologist than a Catholic. LOL

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27 May 2007, 3:37 pm

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I'm not converting to anything. Although I'd rather be a Scientologist than a Catholic. LOL

I dont know much about scientology but I feel that is the worse religion, I'd rather be catholic, in that case.

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27 May 2007, 3:37 pm

I think animals might be more self aware than you think. They fight over females, run in packs, care for their young, migrate. I think their scope of reality is different. I wouldn't assume they don't have personality, preferences, machinations within their existance as they perceive it.
The bigger questions might be wondered by other animals, but not voiced. How do we know what they think when they look at the stars?

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