10 Mar 2018, 8:41 pm
10 Mar 2018, 8:53 pm
I think people fear change & respond by heavily arming themselves. Somewhere in the American psyche is the immutable self-entitlement to take lives. Absent the organizational ability to do so, the U.S. has more than enough private arsenals to destroy itself in a civil war & many are terrified of ploughsharing these stockpiles. We probably wouldn't need steel tariffs if we did so, that's how many guns some people have here.
sly279 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
cberg wrote:
Raptor wrote:
You're confusing promoting the right to be armed with advertising.
You're taking your rights for granted. I'm not aware of any law saying we can't amend or strike amendments from the constitution.
Gun rights are and have been regulated one way or another for over 100 years. We really don't have gun vending machines like your kind seems to believe.
Where do we stop when it comes to striking amendments from the constitution. Do you want to lose all of them over the course of several years when this freedom and that freedom are considered passé?
They just want to strike the ones they don’t care about that people they don’t care about like. That sums up American very nicely if it doesn’t effect them directly most Americans don’t care. They probably would care if gun owners got dragged off to some government “labor camp” unless it happen to their family or friends.
Remove the 2nd amendment they say but if someone suggest doing so to the 1st they freak out.
To start with I'd rather consider both of you friends & I don't wish that on anybody. I don't want anything to do with violence but I'm up for target practice with you guys any day & I'm not even a gun proponent. I recognize the one-way nature of arms distribution and my interest here is getting at the crux of why people are killing each other. None of us can dispute that guns are by & large tools for doing exactly that. I've spent a lot more time than you probably think considering the tactics & intricacies of firearms (I was a scout) and I'm here to point out that we have much more deadly problems with the 2nd amendment than any other.
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10 Mar 2018, 9:04 pm
I'm not really in any corner with the gun owners; pen being mightier than the sword & all, here's the weapon they can pry from my cold dead hands:
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10 Mar 2018, 9:12 pm
10 Mar 2018, 9:17 pm
Well that's exactly what they want you to think. For too long our military-industrial complex has banked on controlling others through fear of superior firepower & everyday people are manipulated into emulating them. Gun proponents will conjure ideals of rugged individualism but when we're honest it's all about engendering a sense of moral superiority & sowing fear among outsiders generalized as potential threats.
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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
10 Mar 2018, 9:34 pm
10 Mar 2018, 9:39 pm
sly279 wrote:
Quite a few anti gun people would like to see us in camps or dead. They also send and say death threats.
10 Mar 2018, 9:49 pm
10 Mar 2018, 9:54 pm
10 Mar 2018, 10:30 pm
cberg wrote:
MrsPeel wrote:
I'm now thinking of it a bit like the nuclear arms race.
The world would probably be a safer place if no countries had nuclear weapons at all. The anti-gun lobby are maybe like the anti-nuclear lobby, trying to get rid of them entirely.
But because we live in the real world, it's actually hard to get an agreement to completely disarm, and as long as some countries have nuclear weapons (people have guns), others feel the need to follow suit. I'm hypothesising that some people (not all) own a gun out of a fear for their own security.
I guess I'm sort of looking at it from the point of view of a small country with no nuclear weapons at all. There's a temptation to say "hey, look at us, we're fine without nuclear arms, you'd be better off like us".
And your argument is kind of like "actually, most people are being killed by conventional weapons, not nuclear." Which may be true, but doesn't get to the crux of why we have nuclear at all.
Not sure exactly what I'm trying to say, here
Comments?
The world would probably be a safer place if no countries had nuclear weapons at all. The anti-gun lobby are maybe like the anti-nuclear lobby, trying to get rid of them entirely.
But because we live in the real world, it's actually hard to get an agreement to completely disarm, and as long as some countries have nuclear weapons (people have guns), others feel the need to follow suit. I'm hypothesising that some people (not all) own a gun out of a fear for their own security.
I guess I'm sort of looking at it from the point of view of a small country with no nuclear weapons at all. There's a temptation to say "hey, look at us, we're fine without nuclear arms, you'd be better off like us".
And your argument is kind of like "actually, most people are being killed by conventional weapons, not nuclear." Which may be true, but doesn't get to the crux of why we have nuclear at all.
Not sure exactly what I'm trying to say, here
Comments?Apparently you're suggesting that simply because things are difficult we should not attempt change.
And every time your gun grabber politicians "attempt change" the guns and ammo fly off of the shelves of gun shops as new gun owners are created.
Yeah, keep it up...
11 Mar 2018, 2:04 am
cberg wrote:
Well that's exactly what they want you to think. For too long our military-industrial complex has banked on controlling others through fear of superior firepower & everyday people are manipulated into emulating them. Gun proponents will conjure ideals of rugged individualism but when we're honest it's all about engendering a sense of moral superiority & sowing fear among outsiders generalized as potential threats.
Ah yes, the military industrial complex resentment/phobia thingy. Knowing you hate it so much makes me damned proud to be employed by a major defense contractor and eager to go to work every day.
11 Mar 2018, 2:07 am
cberg wrote:
This is just paranoid man, and a vote of no confidence in yourself. I don't think you're as weak as you said, I don't think guns make people any stronger and I definitely don't think you've any right to threaten to shoot me just because of my black hoodie.
Black hoodie?
I don't see the connection.
I have a black hoodie and I wore it today without anyone shooting me.
11 Mar 2018, 2:11 am
Sly expressed suspicion of anyone on the same sidewalk in one.
I've given up trying to stop others conflating my views with conventional stateside liberalism; I'm an independent.
There's nothing to be scared of. If I get killed for opposing the system, I'd be dead & therefore quite indifferent. Rest assured I have something far more productive to do with my time, employed or not, than creating death machines. Barring completion of anything of that sort I've still led a productive life; it's also not a phobia, this pattern gets people killed all the time.
But yes I absolutely resent it. I'm sorry you've decided to revel in being hated, although I'm not going to waste energy hating you.
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"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
11 Mar 2018, 2:19 am
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Raptor wrote:
BTW; they don't like the 1st amendment either like they used to.
It seems freedom of speech can hurt someone's feelings.
It seems freedom of speech can hurt someone's feelings.
I actually agree with you here. I've actually been banned from several leftist sites for pointing this out.
One time, I got banned from a leftist site because I used the word "trigger" jokingly. Apparently that's "ableist".
A long time ago I got banned from a forum essentially for being conservative and it pissed me off.
I went back under a new IP address. I think all I had to do was reset my modem got get a new IP address then clear the cookies so the website wouldn't recognize me.
I created a false profile and portrayed a liberal black woman from the upper midwest. I got away with murder with all the s**t I talked and I wreaked all kinds of havoc and never got banned. I mindf*cked the s**t out of some of those people and they never caught on.
I get a wolfish grin just thinking back on it.
11 Mar 2018, 2:27 am
That neatly obviates your legitimacy in complaining about 'trolls' here. They have opinions too; whatever.
We're all just as free to be deceived as we are to speak our minds. I guess that explains how you were sold your job.
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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
11 Mar 2018, 2:28 am
cberg wrote:
sly279 wrote:
cberg wrote:
sly279 wrote:
cberg wrote:
It's everywhere, suggestions that we should arm everybody as if it will stop them being shot. Sure they may have a chance of stopping someone else being shot but there's a reason duels started with equal paces in the opposite directions. Duels frequently ended in neither party surviving.
The NRA's interest is in promoting guns as an alternative to bulletproofing, something they obviously don't do. There's a reason this is considered a freak occurrence:
The NRA's interest is in promoting guns as an alternative to bulletproofing, something they obviously don't do. There's a reason this is considered a freak occurrence:
So if I’m in a mall and a person is shooting up people and I shoot him before he gets to me didn’t I stop him from shooting me? If I pull my gun before a mugger pulls his and stop him didn’t I stop him from shooting me. Most all from is people ruining up to you guns a blazing they conceal it til the last min, another example I’m in a dinner a guy comes in to rob the place when he turns away I shoot him. Again I stopped him from shooting or or others. No having a gun isn’t a guarantee that you won’t gwt shot or thst your stop the bad guy, but not having a gun pretty much guarantees you won’t stop them. Just like having a fire extinguisher doesn’t mesn yiu be able to start a fire, but if s fire starts you’re going be dam glad you have one.
Everyone's a quick draw.What part about anything I said had to do with quick draw? Do you need to be fast to pull your gun and shoot someone who’s face ing away from you threatening others? Do you need to draw quick while at a mall and someone starts shooting next few stores over ?
Do you need to draw quick if you’ve nocited a guy wearing a black hoodie has been following your alone for quite a while gaining ground on you?
Nope no you don’t. It also doesn’t take very long to pull my gun. You seem to thlike no every single possible situation is 1/2 foot close with the guy already having his gun on you but most aren’t. You’ll have plenty of time to take cover pull your gun and give warnings to the bad guy.
Watch some self defense videos. They train to practice for many possible situations of which your imagined one is just one of many.
I practice to draw in a way that works for both close destance and if they further away
Here’s another example a guys knocked you down and is wailing on your. I’d try holding him back with one arm while pulling my other. I’m not match for most people so they’d beat me to death otherwise.
This is just paranoid man, and a vote of no confidence in yourself. I don't think you're as weak as you said, I don't think guns make people any stronger and I definitely don't think you've any right to threaten to shoot me just because of my black hoodie.
Do you creepy follow people late night, stalking them, with your ur hood covering your face, stopping when they stop or look back then decreasing distance between you and them when they aren’t looking? Case that’s not normal behavior, most people would feel threatened especially after you follow after they make multiple turns and stuff. Thst usually means said person is out to Rob you. Which means they probably out to do physical harm to rob you. So I’d be well in img right if after telling you t stop you didn’t then then place my head in my gun and tell you to stop or I’ll shoot and if you continue after repeated warnings what exactly would you descifer your attentions as? Someone repeatedly ask me to stop following them I’d stop as I’m not following them. Heck if I get off the buss after someone and they look concerned I’m following the, i slow down and cross the street.
Few weeks ago a guy got off at my stop,odd I get off there 4 times a week same time every day never seen anyone else, but ok could happen. He turns down the same street as me odd. When I get to my street he just turned down he’s gone see down that street the fence goes a little then turns inward creating s perfect hiding spot. I walk by it every day and I know this so I cross the street and as. Walking down I look back(awareness of my surrounding) low and behold me stranger is hiding in that corner, why? Perhaps to jump me when he assumed I’d come around thst fence? He then sees I didn’t and procedes to follow me, I seed up he speeds up. I made it to my house before he caught up to men, I turn into my coutersak, he slows down keeps walking by then proceeds to stop on the corner for whole and start walking again. I go into my yard right after and look down the streer he’s gone. Where i dont know probably ran down the street. Same guy had been looking at me on the bus me with my iPhone. $800 phone. We’ve had trouble with break ins and robbery lately so he probably noticed I have a expensive phone and bought he’d ambush me and take it. Thank goodness I was awar and. Oticed him in the buss then took precautions and good thing I don’t live too far from the bus stop. Work doesn’t let me carry so all I had is a knife and I would be terrible with it.
So no I’m not walking around threading anyone in a hood who happens to be around.
As for my strength some tiny petite women are stronger then me. Most men are stronger then me. They don’t make you stronger they make it so someone weaker can kill someone stronger who without a gun would just be killed by the stronger person. Bats, knifes require strength and skill as with any melee weapons no. Guns dont. I don’t habe to be strong to defend myself with a gun.
If a guy followed a women down a dark street late at night and she was afraid he was going Rape her you wouldn’t call her paranoid. Why is it men legitimately afraid of being mugged are paranoid even though mugging happen just as often if not more then random rapes(most rapes are done by people they know)
Thankful I don’t have to justify my right to defense to you.
