A defense of marriage

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17 May 2019, 8:48 am

I've come to think there is a score of jealousy here that people of two opposing religious viewpoints can have a happy marriage, hence the bad faith arguments.

Nonetheless, the purpose of this thread stands. There is hope for people in marriage, that it can be good, even in spite of religious differences. Marriage has been defended, the thread has served its purpose, even amid people who would seek to tear down either the institution, tear down one marriage partner's religion, or else ignore the lack of religion of the other marriage partner because it weakens their anti-religion argument.

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17 May 2019, 8:49 am

kdm1984 wrote:

hurtloam wrote:

kdm1984 wrote:

I posted this on another autism forum, and it also got moved to the religion sub-forum in time. Good discussion, but ultimately the main point has gotten side-tracked. Just want to remind everyone that as much as my own belief system informs my defense of marriage here, the defense of marriage was the primary topic, and not religion. Again, my spouse is not theistic, and he nonetheless supports marriage for the right reasons as well. We have a good marriage. A couple of atheists on the other autism forum also defended marriage. I understand not everyone is designed to be married, and the Apostle Paul esteemed singleness as the highest calling (for those who can accept it). Still, in the day and age where people would want to tear down this institution, despite the benefits offered across numerous cultures and religions, I've found it very beneficial for me and mine, hence a defense of it.

That is all.

You brought religion into it though. It was the basis of your argument.

Yes, I brought religion to it, but again, the primary purpose is defending marriage. You do realize there can be sub-points to an argument, yes? I really don't know how many times I need to repeat this -- it's even in my original post -- but once again:

Just want to remind everyone that as much as my own belief system informs my defense of marriage here, the defense of marriage was the primary topic, and not religion.

How much more clear can this be?

Also, everyone sure likes to ignore the fact that my husband is non-theistic. Sure is an inconvenience for some here trying to twist my argument, isn't it? Ignoring it doesn't cause the fact to cease to exist.

If you didn’t want us talking about the religious aspects of it, why did you mention it in your original post?

No one needs to defend marriage. People will continue to marry or not marry depending on their own preferences and tastes.

It’s certainly not something that one should take lightly, though (which was what Fnord was arguing).

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17 May 2019, 8:49 am

Marriage does provide for an orderly transfer of assets if a partner passes. It can and often is a real mess when people are living together and one passes, as the surviving partner has no rights unless there is a document like a will.

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17 May 2019, 8:49 am

magz wrote:

kdm1984 wrote:

Against the kinds of people who tear it down and compare it to the likes of cigarette smoking, as someone did earlier in this very thread.

And how does comparing marriage to cigarette smoking threaten it?

You're clearly just trolling here now. No longer replying to such bad faith arguments.

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17 May 2019, 8:51 am

Twilightprincess seems to forget that I put her on ignore, which I mentioned so clearly on this thread.

Religion is fair to discuss, but it isn't the primary purpose of this thread.

So tired of being a broken record.

Enjoy your envy.

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17 May 2019, 8:51 am

BTDT wrote:

Very valid point! Probably the most valid argument for marriage that I’ve seen so far in this thread.

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17 May 2019, 8:54 am

kdm1984 wrote:

I don’t believe that being on ignore means that I can’t post on a thread.

I’m not sure why I would be envious of a submissive marriage.

This is all extremely baffling. I hope someone can enlighten me.

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17 May 2019, 8:54 am

kdm1984 wrote:

You seem defensive and like you have a chip on your shoulder. If you don't want to be challenged on your beliefs, then perhaps don't post?

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17 May 2019, 8:56 am

Magz might be many things----but she is definitely not a troll.

Marriage is a good thing---when the partners are compatible. And when there's love and respect between the partners.

When they are not compatible, and they "drift apart" from each other, then marriage can seem like you're in a "ball and chain." And relationships sour because of the legal aspects.

Being the submissive party in a marriage is deleterious, especially, to the one who submits (unless the submissive party is "turned on" by it).

I think KDM is a fine person. And I think Twilightprincess a fine person. Both are quite intelligent people. People disagree----even best friends disagree.

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17 May 2019, 8:57 am

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Well, you're saying society is terrible because it doesn't follow the Bible 100% literally.

Verses like that are WHY the Bible leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and why religion needs to be separate from government.

I'll explain it this way: I got into this same discussion over in PPR once and got "official warnings" from mods, even though all I did was point out exactly what the Bible had to say on the topic. That was the first time I'd been exposed to protected class rhetoric, something I now recognize as being victim class rhetoric, which is also a form of the kind of negativity I generally steer clear of. I learned quickly how fair and equal WP rules really are. While I do detect a hint of bias on here in favor of victimhood, I know firsthand that mods really do look into both sides. Once I started reporting posts attacking me by trying to lure me into taboo subjects, things radically changed for the better. I understand that identifying as you do that you take issue with what the Bible says. However, it's bad form to call someone out on a sincerely held belief if they are unable to defend their position without getting banned. Victim class persons can say what they want and attack who they want, yet someone who identifies, say, conservative evangelical Christian is simply supposed either take it, cave, or get banned. If it were YOUR views that were in question, you wouldn't easily tolerate it, either. So how do we have a meaningful discussion without politicizing everything? Famous Christians in the media seem to have a difficult time with this.

You're right. There's no point in discussing this.

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17 May 2019, 8:58 am

kdm1984 wrote:

magz wrote:

kdm1984 wrote:

Against the kinds of people who tear it down and compare it to the likes of cigarette smoking, as someone did earlier in this very thread.

And how does comparing marriage to cigarette smoking threaten it?

You're clearly just trolling here now. No longer replying to such bad faith arguments.

Nope, I just don't see the purpose of this thread at all. No need to defend something that is not threatened. Fnord does not threaten my marriage. Or marriage of my parents. Or any marriage I know of. He wouldn't even if his remarks were much more inappropriate.
So why defend?

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17 May 2019, 8:59 am

AngelRho wrote:

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So, you agree that gay people deserve to be stoned? That's what the Bible says to do (Leviticus 20:13 NLT “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.")

LGBTQ issues relate to a protected class on WP. Note I never once brought that up. Pick another topic, please. We're not allowed to discuss that.

f**k me! The more I read , the more I know this world is f*****g doomed.

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17 May 2019, 9:06 am

A little argument on an autism forum does not a doomed world make......

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17 May 2019, 9:10 am

One thing you can do for an unmarried partner is to designate him/her as a designated beneficiary in any investments you own. And don't forget to take your ex off your retirement account!

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17 May 2019, 9:11 am

SaveFerris wrote:

AngelRho wrote:

BlueIris24 wrote:

LGBTQ issues relate to a protected class on WP. Note I never once brought that up. Pick another topic, please. We're not allowed to discuss that.

f**k me! The more I read , the more I know this world is f*****g doomed.

It’s going to be okay.

This sort of thinking is slowly diminishing.

People can endorse bigotry all they want to but this fact won’t change.

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17 May 2019, 9:14 am

I feel like it depends upon the nature of the person----and the experiences of the person.

I don't feel anybody is "wrong" here.

KDM believes in the sanctity of marriage, and believes notions from the Bible provide solidity.

Twilight has considerable theological experience---but the Bible doesn't provide solidity for her.

Neither one is wrong.

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