What someone has said about abortion on another forum.

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Sorry but as a woman who has experienced pregnancy, I must say such words are simply offensive.
There is a real problem that women (including my close friends) who experienced miscarriage are denied right to grieve.
If I'm to trust a therapist working with such situations, women who have decided to make an abortion because of a difficult situation suffer from the same - they are denied right to grieve.
Don't use such language. Right to safe and legal abortion is one thing, invalidating experiences of many women is another.

^That's why the default position of men should be, " I don't have a womb, so I don't know how you feel. I support your right to have control over your body."

The world would be a better place if women did the same to each other, too

I think that walrus meant to call the zefs as being less than human, not trying to take anything from a woman's choice. I was a bit confused until I googled what zef meant.

This is one of the things that people should keep in mind when they talk about abortion.

You can disagree with people getting an abortion, but you can't deny that the women who have to go through one often grieve. It's still traumatizing for a lot of them and is never an easy or lighthearted decision. Women are very aware they are ending the life of something, even if it's just a zygote or fetus, and no one enjoys having to do that.

I one saw Ashton Birdie's argument that her reason for being against abortions was because women have been traumatized by making that choice.

But my opinion on abortion still stands. I think this should still be a personal choice and if the woman doesn't want to get an abortion because she is terrified she would regret it or that it will hurt, leave her side affects like scaring in her uterus, or is afraid she will get PTSD from it, this is her personal choice.

And another woman might decide to still get one because she is still very early in her pregnancy and she is a student, has no way of caring for a child, is not financially stable and she wants to get her life together first and start her career and be settled in her adult life after college before she starts thinking about kids.

I think rather a woman gets traumatized or not depends on the circumstances she was in when she got one.

As far as the regret issue, I have heard of some clinics mandating x amount of time to think things over between the initial consult and the actual procedure to avoid this being an issue.

I know some women who've gotten traumatized from giving birth, so being against abortion to avoid anyone getting traumatized really isn't valid in itself. The opposite can also be very traumatizing.

A very traumatizing thing is not being considered a valid person with feelings, point of view, opinions, etc.
Being forced to have an abortion or to give a birth can be just as traumatising when you are degraded to just a body with nothing to say about it.

Objectification degrades everybody, including those who objectify others.  I mean, if a person can not see others as people, then that implies the person has some form of narcissism or sociopathy (maybe both).

Everything around 'producing' a child can cause trauma and the reason is that its the most profound act you can ever do. On the surface all of us treat this as easy and morale this and morale that etc, but the more you think of the consequences of it, and even more the unintended consequences of it, some of us start to realize this is so far from easy. Its not only the circumstances but the depth of knowledge of reality versus how much your brain is affected with morale and religious and social edicts that direct the really scary traumatization prosess that take place. Well, its my hypothesis, I've been thinking about this on and off for 24 years and the public arguments are the same as way back. I guess at least I've moved on.
Edit: to sum up this and other items I've posted related to this subject: Its up to the pregnant person to decide. It do not help on the traumatization this causes what input the person get from dogma of umpety groups of society. Said person needs support, understanding and no male or female have the right to do anything more that give love.
There are complications around this, but my point is: Its up to the pregnant person to decide, the decision made is the correct one.

Edit: the following is all play on words and an attempt to give people the cause to smile or if so be, to curse.
Lets just say that I approve of the ide that contraception and education is mandatory and have hopes that some clever ppl would plz start development on a body suit with diving apparatus that is completely utterly gametes tight. Preferably for both sexes for double protection and safety. ofc one opportunity is to embrace virtual life. Hmm. Possibly better than the bodysuits? Meh, I vote for bodysuits bc they would be safe from more than gametes crossing the barriere. Mebeh with a silver lining and a lead outer layer for added protection '')

Last edited by Gaffer Gragz on 05 Feb 2021, 2:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.

If you were a rape victim and got pregnant and had to go through with it, I can see how that would be traumatizing.

Same as being forced to have kids due to f****d up family religion or culture. In some cultures, women are property which is why I don't feel oppressed as a woman in the US.

↑ This is an example of why men should not be the ones to determine what reproductive rights women can and cannot have.  Ridicule, deprecation, and argument to absurdity have no place in a reasoned discussion.

I really wish ppl would stop with the "it's such a difficult decision" & such. It doesn't have to be difficult. It frankly shouldn't be difficult. Yes, it really can be a simple decision. Some of us really don't view it as any worse than a dental extraction. And there's nothing wrong, evil, or unhealthy about seeing it & experiencing it as such.

Beyond the ones at the abortion clinic to remove an already dead fetus since no other practice would, I've not met anyone who grieved. I've met a lot of ppl who want to force that feeling onto women tho...


Not fair to force that on women either.


Again, not fair to force this feeling onto women.

I agree with you, but I cant see in the quotes that Hyrule say anything to force anything onto anyone. Its what people actually feel. We can have a talk about why people feel this way though. Maybe also try to find how we can stop people feeling like this.

My interpretation: it was a joke attempt taken seriously.
Or I hope so.