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29 Sep 2021, 8:51 am

While these stories are not recent, COVID has caused shortages beyond hospital and ICU beds.

In New Orleans you might've had trouble getting to the hospital. In July CNN reported that New Orleans 911 services couldn't keep up. (In the U.S. "911" is the telephone number for emergency services: police, fire and ambulance.)

-----"New Orleans EMS can't keep up with calls due to the Covid-19 surge as mayor restores a mask mandate"

In Orlando once you got to the hospital there was a concern about adequate water supply. The liquid oxygen the hospital used was also needed by the water company. In August CBS News reported:

-----"Orlando declares water shortage linked to rise in Florida COVID-19 cases"

In Los Angeles your death created concerns regarding air quality.
To protect air quality, Los Angeles restricts the number of cremations that can be performed--but in January the New York Post reported:

-----"LA suspends air-quality limits on crematoriums to cope with COVID-19 bodies"


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29 Sep 2021, 9:09 am

I know somebody whose cremation was delayed one month because of all the COVID deaths in New York City during March and April, 2020.



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29 Sep 2021, 3:31 pm

Fnord wrote:
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If you're vaccinated and the vaccine works, why are you worried about people who aren't vaccinated?


1) Because the unvaccinated are prolonging the crises by keeping the pandemic going by allowing the virus to spread by offering themselves up as hosts for the virus.

"Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. "

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... l#:~:text=•%20Fully%20vaccinated%20people%20with,the%20virus%20to%20others.

So vaccinated people are prolonging COVID too.
"Ad Hominem Tu Quoque" much?

While vaccinated people may carry the virus for a day or two, unvaccinated people (from whom vaccinated people are more likely to catch the virus) carry the virus much longer -- some for the rest of their lives.

This is likely why *herd immunity* never materialized.

The CDC research even shows vaccinated pass the same viral load as unvaccinated.


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29 Sep 2021, 4:45 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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naturalplastic wrote:
Bataar wrote:
If you're vaccinated and the vaccine works, why are you worried about people who aren't vaccinated?


1) Because the unvaccinated are prolonging the crises by keeping the pandemic going by allowing the virus to spread by offering themselves up as hosts for the virus.

"Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. "

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... l#:~:text=•%20Fully%20vaccinated%20people%20with,the%20virus%20to%20others.

So vaccinated people are prolonging COVID too.
"Ad Hominem Tu Quoque" much?

While vaccinated people may carry the virus for a day or two, unvaccinated people (from whom vaccinated people are more likely to catch the virus) carry the virus much longer -- some for the rest of their lives.

This is likely why *herd immunity* never materialized.

The CDC research even shows vaccinated pass the same viral load as unvaccinated.


That last sentence is missing crucial data, given that the vaccinated are only 1/4 as likely to actually spread the virus. It is far from equal. Vaccination is an extremely valuable tool, and a main reason California’s numbers are so much better.

I’ll have to verify the exact reasons for the 1/4.


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30 Sep 2021, 12:03 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
That last sentence is missing crucial data, given that the vaccinated are only 1/4 as likely to actually spread the virus. It is far from equal. Vaccination is an extremely valuable tool, and a main reason California’s numbers are so much better.

I’ll have to verify the exact reasons for the 1/4.

Study: Fully vaccinated people with "breakthrough" COVID Delta infections carry as much virus as the unvaccinated

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vacc ... accinated/

"Vaccinated people with "breakthrough" infections could still pose a significant infection risk to those who have not been vaccinated"


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30 Sep 2021, 12:19 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
That last sentence is missing crucial data, given that the vaccinated are only 1/4 as likely to actually spread the virus. It is far from equal. Vaccination is an extremely valuable tool, and a main reason California’s numbers are so much better.

I’ll have to verify the exact reasons for the 1/4.

Study: Fully vaccinated people with "breakthrough" COVID Delta infections carry as much virus as the unvaccinated

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vacc ... accinated/

"Vaccinated people with "breakthrough" infections could still pose a significant infection risk to those who have not been vaccinated"


I repeat, your information is missing a key component of the equation. Or two:

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But this framing missed the single most important factor in spreading the coronavirus: To spread the coronavirus, you have to have the coronavirus. And vaccinated people are far less likely to have the coronavirus—period. If this was mentioned at all, it was treated as an afterthought.


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Additionally, for those instances of a vaccinated person getting a breakthrough case, yes, they can be as infectious as an unvaccinated person. But they are likely contagious for a shorter period of time when compared with the unvaccinated, and they may harbor less infectious virus overall.


There are more sources with the same data clarifications, but the above quotes come from here: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... id/620161/


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30 Sep 2021, 8:08 am

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What to do with anti-vax/anti-maskers...
Ban them all from WrongPlanet.



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30 Sep 2021, 8:15 am

Natural selection is taking care of them.



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30 Sep 2021, 8:24 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Natural selection is taking care of them.
Famous Last Words:

• "Hold my beer."

• "It ain't loaded."

• "Looks safe to me!"

• "Okay, power's off!"

• "No sharks 'round here."

• "He don't look so vicious."

• "I fixed the brakes myself!"

• "This tater salad tastes funny."

• "I'll hold it; you light the fuse."

• "You can't tell ME what to do!"

• "Covid is a government hoax."

• "I ain't never gettin' no vaccination."



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30 Sep 2021, 8:37 am

Fnord wrote:
Tross wrote:
What to do with anti-vax/anti-maskers...
Ban them all from WrongPlanet.

Because we're all about diversity and free speech around here.



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30 Sep 2021, 8:45 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
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What to do with anti-vax/anti-maskers...
Ban them all from WrongPlanet.
Because we're all about diversity and free speech around here.
Liars care not for diversity, and "Free Speech" means that the Government cannot arrest them for what they say -- it does not mean that anyone else has to put up with their bushlit, either.  So if they are banned from this website for spreading their stupid lies, their Free Speech rights are not being violated.

Defending a lie by citing "Free Speech" is saying that the most compelling argument you have for supporting the lie is that you have the right to express it.



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03 Oct 2021, 12:23 pm

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Mod edit: For the avoidance of any doubt - this is satire and not to be taken seriously.


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03 Oct 2021, 12:45 pm

:eew:

I would hope no one in the medical establishment would support this. I also hope no one in the food service establishment would support it.

And you have to wonder whether some idiots toss these things out just to see how many other idiots will go with it. (And I don't mean funeralxempire who I believe just wanted to tell us what the idiots were doing, not endorse it!)


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03 Oct 2021, 1:13 pm

Double Retired wrote:
:eew:

I would hope no one in the medical establishment would support this. I also hope no one in the food service establishment would support it.

And you have to wonder whether some idiots toss these things out just to see how many other idiots will go with it. (And I don't mean funeralxempire who I believe just wanted to tell us what the idiots were doing, not endorse it!)


I would hope that even anti-vaxxers would realize that's a parody and not serious.

But, considering they're the same people huffing peroxide, taking antiparasitics, internally taking disinfectants, or anti-malarials with substantial side-effects I'm not sure that any degree of absurdity or disgust would be enough to make them reconsider facing their fear of needles or their delusions concerning vaccines (or just this specific vaccine).

Dog turds are less dangerous and just as effective as many of the other things that some folks in that sphere have chosen to take. They're just (hopefully) more obviously a stupid suggestion, but if it takes off on guanochan that dog turds are a miracle cure I wouldn't be that surprised.


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03 Oct 2021, 2:27 pm

Well, you didn't specify where you found the suggestion.

If it was on a comedy or parody site then hopefully people would not take it seriously.

But if some "influencer" posted it I'd expect a few folk to be influenced. (Um...not to name Q or Trump by name as examples.)


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03 Oct 2021, 2:50 pm

Every time I peek in at this thread, I feel the sudden urge to buy more ammo, and gain a deeper understanding of how totalitarian governments manage to get democratically elected.


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