War in Ukraine: both sides are wrong

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This one happens in many countries that are "expelled from the club".
I don't judge how much of the propaganda against Russia is true or false.
But their false parts have been causing trouble for the internal reforming forces of other such countries.

China's most common form of genocide in the form of Nazism is to exterminate Chinese ourselves (but it seems except for themselves).
I guess the absence of Nazis in the Japanese army has something to do with Japan being legally deprived of the right to have an army.

In terms of the current civil conflict in eastern Europe I was fascinated to see an in depth interview with the lead singer of the Russian anarchist feminist rock group "Pu**y Riot" Nadezhda Tolokonnikova on SBS TV Australia.

Her rock group used to get international coverage but nowadays she gets little TV coverage but Tolokonnikova has became the prominent face of the anti-Putin movement in Russia and among overseas Russians.

I was very surprised to hear that she now lives in exile among many 10's of thousands of Russian refugees in Georgia in the capital Tblisi. She is understandably fearful for her life now that Putin is cracked down on dissidents.

Remarkably Tolokonnikova who leads a mix of Russian political dissidents, artists, musicians and journalists says the local Georgians have been very kind. However she now fears for her life from the many thousands of Ukrainian refugees in Tblisi who (according to her) hate Russian people. She does not go out by herself and feels threatened by the Ukrainians.

Tolokonnikova says she is depressed why the Ukrainians don't join with anti-Putin Russians? it seems While in the war in Ukraine the anti-Putin Russians want to be friends with Ukrainian people but Ukrainian people have deep set hatred of ethnic Russian people.

I have a distant relation who is married to an Estonian who told me that Baltic people's share this hatred of ethnic Russians. Curiously (and perhaps not coincidentally) the Balts (Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians) and Ukrainians so eagerly joined the Nazis in rounding up ethnic Russians, Poles, jews and gypsies. My Estonian relation is quite old but she told me her parents hated all the groups rounded up by the Nazis (especially the Russians).

If this deep set hatred isn't addressed then Russian leaders can continue to use this as a pretext to keep interfering in these countries internal affairs. The Russian paranoia about far right movements in these countries isn't just in their imagination (even if Putin is exploiting and exaggerating it's real impact).

In other words - paint whoever does not like me, for a good reason or not, as nazi. Handy. No responsibility for all the harm I did when those who hold a grudge against me are nazi by definition. Ain't it nice?

No, they didn't. Half of Ukrainians are native Russian speakers, includiung the president. They weren't banned nor rejected.
And don't you even go into the 2014 events in Donbas. I've met enough people who had to flee when the separatists took power and I've heard enough of what it looked like.

It does have. Jews, Tatars, Ukrainian-speakers, Russian-speakers - all are in the current Ukrainian govt. It's much more diverse than in many other countries, Russia included.
Russia should be more inclusive with all the ethnicities inhabiting Russian Federation - Buryats, Chechens, Chukchas, Tatars, countless others - to have fair representation in decision-making processes. Why are they calling others to do something they don't?

Why TF do you tell us what to do?
In an ideal world, Rusia would not be a threat, so there'd be no need for us to join NATO - but they've proven beyond any doubt that we're not living in this ideal world. Art 5 is why my city has been not been shelled yet.

The French and Scandinavian govts also cooperated with Nazis at some points. Is it held against them today?

Right now, Putin is doing quite a lot to trigger adressing these old grudges. You've never before saw Poles, Balts and Ukrainians so willing to leave the old conflicts behind and start a new chapter of cooperation - not just with words but with actual meaningful actions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/ ... e-baltics/

Need I say more?

I don't know how it looks in Estonia, but here, we don't have that much against ethnic Russians. I'm part Russian myself, did you know?
We have a lot against Russians (ethnic or not) supporting the concept of rebuilding Russian empire.
We have a lot against anyone supporting this concept.

Off to Siberia, for you, then.

Hah. Hah. Hah.

Always look on the bright side of life. From family stories, after a long winter, springtime in Siberia is unmatched.

Even in the gulags?

If I understand the story correctly, it was "only" forced relocation.
BTW, according to the informations I get, this old method of Russian/Soviet Empire is being used again. https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-societ ... -east.html

I’m Belarusian/Jewish on my mother’s side.

There’s a YouTube channel called “1420” where there’s this guy who asks Russians very sensitive questions about the war, about being Russian, about how they feel the world feels about Russians, etc.

Siberia is very nice for three seasons out of the four. It can get hot in the summer, though. There are places where it goes down to nearly -100 Fahrenheit in the winter, and nearly +100 Fahrenheit in the summer.

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Mosquitoes...

For sure!

Even in rural parts of New York, the mosquitoes can get really bad.

You have it all wrong.  Russia fell to the Soviet Union in 1922, and then the Soviet Union lost the Cold War in 1991.

Russia, under Putin's rule, is trying to restore the pre-1922 Tsarist Autocracy, with Vladimir Putin as its Tsar.

It is not going well for Russia, mainly because the surrounding countries are no longer pre-industrial agrarian societies with little or no ability to fight off invaders, and also because Russia's "Military Might" is easily defeated by any one nation's well-armed and properly-motivated armed forces.

"Undo the loss of the Cold War"?

Ain't gonna happen, comrade.

It just ain't gonna happen.

One could as well claim that the South should undo their loss of Civil War and bring back slavery.