07 Aug 2007, 11:27 pm
Sedaka wrote:
i dont think a lot of religious types like evolution in any shape or form
I think you're inversely speaking of yourself.
You just don't like the idea of God starting and guiding evolution.
And also, when I study the human body, I see DESIGN, DESIGN, DESIGN all over the place!
You really don't?
When I study a woman's ass... I mean, THAT ... GUY ... KNEW ... WHAT ... HE ... WAS ... DOIN', when makin' that lil piece o' heaven!! !
My point is, to posit evolution: fine. To posit that no one guided it -- WTF?? That's arbitrary.
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07 Aug 2007, 11:28 pm
07 Aug 2007, 11:30 pm
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
cause ragtime was using his point that he abstains from sex as being on par with gay people (extreme cases or other) limiting their attraction to the opposite sex
No, I wasn't.
I was equating me denying myself non-marital sex with gays denying themselves homosexual sex.Now, apologize for your error, and march yourself down to my office.
that's the same friggin thing..................
you cannot compare restricting your straight sex to gay people having to like participating in straight sex.
there is no comparison
Why are you changing my words? Twice now. What's the deal?
I didn't say "gay people having to like participating in straight sex", I said "gays denying themsleves homosexual sex". Ah, well, other people see my words correctly.
07 Aug 2007, 11:31 pm
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07 Aug 2007, 11:32 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i dont think a lot of religious types like evolution in any shape or form
I think you're inversely speaking of yourself.
You just don't like the idea of God starting and guiding evolution.
And also, when I study the human body, I see DESIGN, DESIGN, DESIGN all over the place!
You really don't?
When I study a woman's ass... I mean, THAT ... GUY ... KNEW ... WHAT ... HE ... WAS ... DOIN', when makin' that lil piece o' heaven!! !
My point is, to posit evolution: fine. To posit that no one guided it -- WTF?? That's arbitrary.
lol you have cut down all sorts of forms of evolution and do not believe in any proof of it whatsoever...
i am fine with people believing god did it... as i have PMed you...
that's besides the point... im talking about a matter of flexibility and not even in the biological evolution.
i was talking to GB about how some religions accept homosexuality because they are flexible enough to realize the flaws in thinking during the time that the bible was written and have allowed their views regarding homosexuality to evolve and grow... which you have not.
07 Aug 2007, 11:33 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i dont think a lot of religious types like evolution in any shape or form
I think you're inversely speaking of yourself.
You just don't like the idea of God starting and guiding evolution.
And also, when I study the human body, I see DESIGN, DESIGN, DESIGN all over the place!
You really don't?
When I study a woman's ass... I mean, THAT ... GUY ... KNEW ... WHAT ... HE ... WAS ... DOIN', when makin' that lil piece o' heaven!! !
Natural selection is the least random thing on Earth.
It is the natural survival of only those most suited to the enviroment.
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07 Aug 2007, 11:33 pm
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07 Aug 2007, 11:34 pm
Flagg wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i dont think a lot of religious types like evolution in any shape or form
I think you're inversely speaking of yourself.
You just don't like the idea of God starting and guiding evolution.
And also, when I study the human body, I see DESIGN, DESIGN, DESIGN all over the place!
You really don't?
When I study a woman's ass... I mean, THAT ... GUY ... KNEW ... WHAT ... HE ... WAS ... DOIN', when makin' that lil piece o' heaven!! !
Natural selection is the least random thing on Earth.
It is the natural survival of only those most suited to the enviroment.
natural selection in itself is not evolution and is therefore not subject to the randomness stipulation
07 Aug 2007, 11:35 pm
Sedaka wrote:
Flagg wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i dont think a lot of religious types like evolution in any shape or form
I think you're inversely speaking of yourself.
You just don't like the idea of God starting and guiding evolution.
And also, when I study the human body, I see DESIGN, DESIGN, DESIGN all over the place!
You really don't?
When I study a woman's ass... I mean, THAT ... GUY ... KNEW ... WHAT ... HE ... WAS ... DOIN', when makin' that lil piece o' heaven!! !
Natural selection is the least random thing on Earth.
It is the natural survival of only those most suited to the enviroment.
natural selection in itself is not evolution and is therefore not subject to the randomness stipulation
I'll let the evolutionary biologist here handle it, sorry for the f**k-up Sedaka.
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07 Aug 2007, 11:39 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
cause ragtime was using his point that he abstains from sex as being on par with gay people (extreme cases or other) limiting their attraction to the opposite sex
No, I wasn't.
I was equating me denying myself non-marital sex with gays denying themselves homosexual sex.Now, apologize for your error, and march yourself down to my office.
that's the same friggin thing..................
you cannot compare restricting your straight sex to gay people having to like participating in straight sex.
there is no comparison
Why are you changing my words? Twice now. What's the deal?
I didn't say "gay people having to like participating in straight sex", I said "gays denying themsleves homosexual sex". Ah, well, other people see my words correctly.
will you please answer my question that ive asked you to doso?
quit chastizing me before you analzye your comparison.
im saying you have no basis for comparing to the behaviors...
you cannot compare denying premarital sex with denying homosexual sex
im tired you avoiding pivotal questions and then chastizing me...
you do it all the time to me and many other people
you said your homosexual attraction was FORCED... yet would you consider your attraction to other women (premairtial or extramirtal) as being FORCED?
if the answer is no.... you have no right to make that comparison and quit saying im screwing with your words when you know damn well what im getting at
07 Aug 2007, 11:40 pm
Sedaka wrote:
i know what my heaven is very well thankyou... and it's much better than what the bible describes
Well, we can save that for another thread. I'd bet $1,000,000 you don't know and understand the Bible's description of Heaven. Did you know it has specfic measurements, for example? (And no, guys, they're not "36-24-36"
.)
Do you know about the specific jewels each of its twelve steps are made of? How about its streets and its sea? What are they made of? What shape is Heaven?
But I digress...
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07 Aug 2007, 11:42 pm
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
would you have homosexual sex the rest of your life if it would get you into heaven?
I would.
yes... but for you... i think we'd have to restrict it to sex with a male homosexual
yes, you know you're missing the point....
huh? what do you mean?
this was just a joke... a play on words.... did you get that? and cause kilroy is bi... i said he's have to marry/have sex with an asexual woman to get into heaven... just to fathom the misery that extremely homosexual people have to live with
Ya, I got it, but my point is the biblical recommendation is easier on kilroy than what you jokingly prescribed -- just wanted to preserve clarity, that the Bible doesn't say "Do everything backwards from the way you would".
07 Aug 2007, 11:44 pm
07 Aug 2007, 11:44 pm
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07 Aug 2007, 11:45 pm
Flagg wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Flagg wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i dont think a lot of religious types like evolution in any shape or form
I think you're inversely speaking of yourself.
You just don't like the idea of God starting and guiding evolution.
And also, when I study the human body, I see DESIGN, DESIGN, DESIGN all over the place!
You really don't?
When I study a woman's ass... I mean, THAT ... GUY ... KNEW ... WHAT ... HE ... WAS ... DOIN', when makin' that lil piece o' heaven!! !
Natural selection is the least random thing on Earth.
It is the natural survival of only those most suited to the enviroment.
natural selection in itself is not evolution and is therefore not subject to the randomness stipulation
I'll let the evolutionary biologist here handle it, sorry for the f**k-up Sedaka.
lol no worries... words are flyin everywhere! just responding to all
NS is a mechanism of evolution (not the only one... there's genetic drift for example, which is pure probability)
but the randomness relating to NS with respect to evolution is: who can say what the random environmental requirements will be for survival? i disease could crop up and only individuals with a certain trait would allow them to survive the disease. the environemtnatl effect (disease) is random... the individuals who survive are not random (natural selection).... yet, in a grander sense... it's a random sampling of the prior population that survives... so the overall process of evolution is described as random
though you could say that god placed the disease and is therefore not random
07 Aug 2007, 11:47 pm
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Homosexual attraction is for me a forced "Let's see if THIS mindset can work, if I really try".
Who the hell would choose to force themselves to 'try' being gay?
I was trying to empathize with gays, so that I'd learn something of the experience to desire my own gender. It was for you, Soph!
What's the problem with upgrading my own understanding of the issues involved? Would you rather I remain more ignorant?well, it looked like you were stating that gays forced themselves to have that attraction, people who are different from us, would not take that statement in a good way, or at least they would have that interpretation, that if you really meant something else.
the true measure of empathy would be for him to engage in homosexual relations in order to appease god.
that is what i sincerely doubt he could fathom.
i cannot nor could i pretend to do so... in actuality or "fathoming"
it is the same reason that many gay people have issues with religion... because THEY cannot fathom having to have straight sex or deny part of their sexuality...
just to get into heaven.
JUST??? I don't think you understand what Heaven is, or how A W E S O M E it is. It beats anything you can find in this world by about infinity.
Yeah, the most beautiful utopia
too bad gays are not allowed there, God discriminates.
Actually, no person-to-person marriage, or any sex, will exist there. "It's better than sex," as the expression goes. What we think of as marriage is actually modeled after, and a foreshadowing of, our spiritual union with the Lord. Except it will be perfect, because in Heaven everyone will be completely sinless, and voluntarily so. We'll have shed that skin, so to speak.
