should it be acceptable to call people nazis and fascists?

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20 Dec 2022, 1:09 pm

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It's not inconceivable that a fascist dictator might treat an Aspie very well if their talents were considered an asset to the cause. But I wouldn't much fancy my chances. Mind you, I got on surprisingly well with a boss whose nickname was (with some justification) Satan.

A quick read of history and you'll find adult autistic people were being sterilised in Nazi Germany as feeble minded and children were often terminated. Hans Asperger made an attempt to protect autistic children under his care whom he identified as "high functioning" and sold the idea they could be useful to the regime because of their intelligence.

Asperger's coining of the term "little professors" has been carried into the modern era and probably influenced the eventual diagnosis of Aspergers as a separate disorder from autism based largely on IQ/intelligence.

It's a great pity that Asperger avoided jail after WWII as after his death it came to light he handed over other children in his care for extermination. Any wonder many Aspies feel uncomfortable to be labelled after a nazi war criminal who slipped through the cracks and avoided prosecution.

No evidence has been produced that Asperger tried to protect Autistics. His statements listed above were consistent with Nazi Medicine. Partly as a result of wartime needs the not so disabled were deemed salvageable.

I think you have to "read between the lines" on this one.
IIRC, Asperger could have been on the spectrum himself.

I am going by what the historians have claimed. As Edith Sheffer pointed out in her book no evidence found does not mean it did not happen.

Hero Hans Asperger surreptitiously helping autistics while working for monsters makes for a nice story. When you are an adult finally finding out you are an aspie this fable is inspiring. I fell for it myself. The whole premise defies credulity. The story means that those meticulous, efficient Nazis somehow missed that the guy literally down the hall from them for years was secretly helping “inferior” people.

As far as Hans Asperger having the condition that would be named after him I don’t know. I will say that it used to be a pretty popular theory. Since the revelation of his complicity I have rarely heard that theory expressed.

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20 Dec 2022, 4:35 pm

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The whole premise defies credulity. The story means that those meticulous, efficient Nazis somehow missed that the guy literally down the hall from them for years was secretly helping “inferior” people..

Wasn't he picking up these children in institutions after they were referred there or were the parents directly sending their kids to him?

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20 Dec 2022, 6:04 pm

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Wasn't he picking up these children in institutions after they were referred there or were the parents directly sending their kids to him?

I don't remember offhand, that is irrelevant to my point

Hans Asperger worked directly under and right down the hall from Dr. Franz Hamburger as die-hard a Nazi as you can get. Hamburger kept on approving him.

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20 Dec 2022, 7:58 pm

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Wasn't he picking up these children in institutions after they were referred there or were the parents directly sending their kids to him?

Fortunately Aspies were named after the former Nazi and not the latter
Otherwise you would be known as hamburgers :lol:

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21 Dec 2022, 1:49 am

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Wasn't he picking up these children in institutions after they were referred there or were the parents directly sending their kids to him?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read somewhere that Asperger wasn't a "card-carrying Nazi".
Food for thought.

Also, just because a new book has come out doesn't mean it is an accurate portrayal of the man.
I strongly suggest ppl maintain a skeptical mindset.

I could say a lot more using my "reading between the lines" ability, but I don't feel a need to spend a "spoon" on the subject.

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21 Dec 2022, 1:52 am

cyberdad wrote:

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Wasn't he picking up these children in institutions after they were referred there or were the parents directly sending their kids to him?

Fortunately Aspies were named after the former Nazi and not the latter
Otherwise you would be known as hamburgers :lol:

A "culturally inappropriate comment" in my mind, you being an NT.

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21 Dec 2022, 8:04 am

I think it's ok if they attend rallies while carrying swastika flags.

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21 Dec 2022, 8:22 pm

Pepe wrote:

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Wasn't he picking up these children in institutions after they were referred there or were the parents directly sending their kids to him?

Fortunately Aspies were named after the former Nazi and not the latter
Otherwise you would be known as hamburgers :lol:

A "culturally inappropriate comment" in my mind, you being an NT.

I assume nobody else is offended based on the fact the context is very specific

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22 Dec 2022, 3:41 am

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I assume nobody else is offended based on the fact the context is very specific

I will make a pole on that on Twitter. :mrgreen:

But what you said is on shaky ground, nonetheless.
I am surprised you don't see this since you are a progressive, after all.

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22 Dec 2022, 5:13 am

Pepe wrote:

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Wasn't he picking up these children in institutions after they were referred there or were the parents directly sending their kids to him?

Hans Asperger was not a member of the Nazi party.

In addition to the book, a journal article came out saying a similar thing. Both were works by historians that specialize in that era and place. What both concluded was that Hans Asperger was not a die hard Nazi but did what he had to do to stay in good graces with his Nazi bosses, ie was complicit in the eugenics program. It must be said that when you judge him keep in mind that if Asperger went against his Nazi bosses there would have been repercussions way way beyond being canceled. One of the historians has concluded that all labels are bad, the other historian views Aspergers as a legitimate medical label. Ultimately we should thank them for clarifying things, but it is not up to them.

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