God is a myth.

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Where is the recorded fact? In the movie The Passion?

Or the bible that some guys wrote in a cave in order for people to have an ideal to believe in and for a culture to strive and grow upon.

You see what it is mean't for?

Obsessing whether he exists or not is missing the point, rather than bickering about it why not put the ideals to use or better yet, strive beyond those ideals in the bible because they ARE outdated.

Asking for ironclad proof of a fact 2,000 years after its occurance is rarely a satisfiable request, with anything. Such historical studies thus regularly deal in various levels of evidence, not proof. And high levels of evidence are often taken as proof, relative to the amount of time that has passed.

Well, your awesomeness is your imaginary friend. We all have imaginary "friends" to a degree -- good things we imagine that help get us through the day. We all have imaginations of God which are quite apart from His reality.

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How about recorded history. (And how about actually reading history instead of swallowing everything skeptics throw at you?)

Jesus is mentioned by several non-Christian sources; here are a few:

"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus..." - Cornelius Tacitus (Annals, XV, xliv)

"Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus [Christ], he expelled them from Rome." - Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas (Life of Claudius XXv.4)

"They also declared that the sum total of their guilt or error amounted to no more than this: that they had met regularly before dawn on a fixed day to chant verses alternately among themselves in honour of Christ as if to a god, and also to bind themselves by oath, not for any criminal purpose, but to abstain from theft, robbery, and adultery ..." - Pliny the Younger, Epistle to the Emperor Trajan


Scientific proof requires a repeatable test with repeatable results. Obviously, if this only happened once in recorded history, it isn't and can't be repeated, and therefore you can't prove it scientifically. But then again you can't prove Caesar crossed the Rubicon scientifically either, and today that's recognized as fact. Because history books say so. There are other forms of proofs besides scientific proof.

At least I admit my imaginary friends are all in my head. You still haven't grown up enough to accept that yet. Do you still believe in Santa?

lol So you don't have any proof then?

Ummm you are the one accepting facts that people throw at you. All I did was look at humanity and look at the world and thought about it a little and came to the realization that God isn't real, religion was a catalyst to aid in the growth of a culture and to provide people with a guideline on how to live life with meaning.

It's pretty simple.

And if God does exist he must be a terrible person, as mankind was created in his image and mankind is a circus full of laughs and tragedies.

Oh wow. I can just imagine how many people
would want to be able to use THAT as a dildo.

This is a HIGHLY unlikely statement. The amount
of evidence for Jesus is greater than for many
other historical figures.

Indeed, it's in his mind somewhere.

Admitting that you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
Let us help you.

You mentioned Jesus wasn't real. I've shown he was. "Looking at humanity" can't show you a historical person wasn't real.


I never said I didn't have any proof. I said I had no scientific proof, because you can't have scientific proof of a historical event. That's nonsensical.

But you're not ready for any proof, scientific or otherwise. You're still in the "lets mock the silly Christians" mode. (The last politically correct form of bigotry.) Therefore it would make no sense whatsoever in offering you any proof, as you'd not hear it but just mock it. As Jesus himself said, "do not throw pearls before swine." (In other words, knowledge and wisdom will be lost on those who do not wish to hear it, so don't waste your time.)

Oh, it's not? Perhaps you've lost it then?

I'm sorry about that. Such dreams were
pleasant, weren't they?

I actually find these kind of stuff interesting, about Jesus and his followers and stuff like that. Yeah, he had a lot of followers, and he made a big impact on people, people were opressed by the roman empire then, so that was easier for him for people to follow him because he gave them hope.

The so called "miracles" either way it was a thing that was added when it was written to impress, or he had a good knowledge about medicine beyong his time, that could have been a posibility. There is something curious about the miracles thing in the bible, like when it describes people being possesed by demons for example, when you read them, it parallels a lot with mental or neurological disorders like epilepsy attacks and probably schizophrenia.

We have to take in to acount that some events which could not have been explained centuries ago, it was written in a way according to their perceptions of things.

About Constantine, the emperor who converted to christianity, he did it, it is said that it was influenced by his mother, however, it must have been a good strategy politically and military as well at that time, romans adopted greek mythology and changed it to their own way, the same thing they did with christianity, they adopted it and they changed things, mixing their own religious stuff with early christianity, so it wasn't exactly a conversion thing, more like mixing some pagan stuff with christian stuff, and that is how catholicism was born.

Jesus isn't real as in there wasn't a guy names Jesus like there was in the bible. It is real in the sense that it symbolically depicts the nature of the true individual against the herd.

Jesus was many people. Hitler, Napoleon, Nietzsche, Tim Leary...

There's some evidence of Jesus.