20 Aug 2007, 8:41 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.
Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".
I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"
He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.
Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".
I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"
He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.
The biggest flaw in this fiction is that Dawkins is one of those people who is incapable of admitting defeat when it comes.
Ever thought maybe it's just that he hasn't been defeated by you guys?
If God exists, Dawkins was defeated the moment he first uttered his doubts. I personally deeply know that God exists. So, to whatever degree I can evidense that knowledge to others, I still have the personal knowledge that Dawkins is wrong. And on a certain level, so does he.
Do you "know" he exists? You started that post off with "If God exists", which means I've caught you on it. You yourself, deep down in a place in your sub-conscious that you don't want to look, know that it's all bull. Yet, your republican am I correct? So you believe in pushing this lie down peoples' throats?
20 Aug 2007, 8:42 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.
Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".
I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"
He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.
Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".
I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"
He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.
The biggest flaw in this fiction is that Dawkins is one of those people who is incapable of admitting defeat when it comes.
Ever thought maybe it's just that he hasn't been defeated by you guys?
If God exists, Dawkins was defeated the moment he first uttered his doubts. I personally deeply know that God exists. So, to whatever degree I can evidense that knowledge to others, I still have the personal knowledge that Dawkins is wrong. And on a certain level, so does he.
Do you "know" he exists? You started that post off with "If God exists", which means I've caught you on it. You yourself, deep down in a place in your sub-conscious that you don't want to look, know that it's all bull. Yet, your republican am I correct? So you believe in pushing this lie down peoples' throats?
21 Aug 2007, 4:33 am
21 Aug 2007, 10:02 am
21 Aug 2007, 10:04 am
snake321 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Mutate wrote:
I went to a seminar last night where Dawkins was reading from his book. All the way through, Christians were tearing ofF their crosses and beads and throwing them away while Dawkins cheered then for seeing reason. However, I jUSt sat through it with a smug smile on my face, waiting to drop my bomb that would defeat him utterley for the last time.
Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".
I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"
He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.
Al the end of the talk I stood up and said, " so basically you deny God from lack of evidence." he said "yes".
I said "I have no evidence of your thoughts, do I? So how do I know you have a brain???"
He just stood there, quivering. Then he fell to his knees and started crying, "God forgive me, what have I done, I have sinned, what have I done".
Then he crawled away on his hands and knees dripping tears on the stage, while everyone applauded me. Then I led them to the nearest church.
The biggest flaw in this fiction is that Dawkins is one of those people who is incapable of admitting defeat when it comes.
Ever thought maybe it's just that he hasn't been defeated by you guys?
If God exists, Dawkins was defeated the moment he first uttered his doubts. I personally deeply know that God exists. So, to whatever degree I can evidense that knowledge to others, I still have the personal knowledge that Dawkins is wrong. And on a certain level, so does he.
Do you "know" he exists? You started that post off with "If God exists", which means I've caught you on it. You yourself, deep down in a place in your sub-conscious that you don't want to look, know that it's all bull. Yet, your republican am I correct? So you believe in pushing this lie down peoples' throats?
Nice spin job! I'm sorry that you hate me for believing in God. I guess you'll just have to deal with it.
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21 Aug 2007, 8:48 pm
Ragtime wrote:
gwenevyn wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
I doubt he does. And you don't know this god exists. You just feel it/believe it does. That's different to actually knowing that it does.
How do you know?
I don't know what Soph would say (ok, now I do
), but a big bit of compelling evidence to the contrary, for me, is the fact that many people claim to have the same level of conviction that you have, about contradictory revelations. Furthermore we know that people have claimed to have such convictions regarding matters that are verifiably false by any sane standard. Obviously it stands to reason that we cannot accept someone's feelings as a legitimate piece of evidence for the existence of anything outside the individual.Thank you, but that's not addressing the question of how Sopho knows that I don't know God.
In epistemology, belief and knowledge are two distinct concepts. Knowledge depends on three facts:
- Belief
- Truth of the belief
- Justification for the truth of the belief
You clearly satisfy the first criterion; the second criterion is debatable as ever, and your appeal to subjective personal experience would be an unconvincing argument to most philosophers (someone has already mentioned the philosophical problem of other minds).
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