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06 May 2023, 1:04 pm

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2. Bars are regulated & licensed with many rules and are subject to random inspections by plain clothes liquor inspectors. Patrons do require proof of age via government issued photo ID in order to drink there - but the notion of drinking training is ridiculous if you're comparing it to the use of a deadly weapon like a gun. Bars DO bar people from entry - is this a foreign concept to you? :? People known to misbehave are banned from entering, sometimes for life. Bars have their own "red flag," rules and enforce them at their own discretion. (Have you never been to a bar before?)

All of which is already in place in the Divided States.

It requires a license to run a gun shop and there are many rules for running a gun shop. Probably they have police inspections too but I'm not sure.

It already requires a government proof of age ID to buy a gun.

Gun shops can already bar anyone from entry for any reason even if unconstitutional, for instance a gun shop can not sell you a gun simply because they dislike you or you give them a bad vibe.

So the equivalent of "uncommon sense gun control" would have to take it a step further, if we are to draw accurate parrellels between guns and bars.

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the notion of drinking training is ridiculous if you're comparing it to the use of a deadly weapon like a gun.
Why is it ridiculous? Drunk driving is about as serious as gun violence or mass murder. And there are a plethora of other ways booze can kill, for instance booze could make someone violent, or it could cause cancer later on. So if we are to have an even playing field, if mandatory gun training is required then we might as well have mandatory booze training too.


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So, there ya go - these common sense regulations are in fact implemented for alcohol sales & consumption in order to limit societal harm. No reason not to have common sense restrictions & regulations on fire arms for the same reason. Thanks for helping prove my point! 8)


My point is the safety cult could extend the doctrine to all walks of life. Booze could cause as much havoc as a gun. And the safety cult will say "oh if you don't do uncommon sense gun control, you're a bad, bad person". So someone could say "Well if you don't put strict, draconian measures on booze, you're a bad, bad person who allows booze to wreak havoc." Which is how Prohibition became a thing, which coincidentally led to more violence and coincidentally led to gun control in the first place. And you're assuming "uncommon sense gun control" won't lead to a total gun ban, ie. Prohibition, so I will outline the problems with "uncommon sense gun control".

- Uncommon sense gun control is viewed as draconian by 81% of americans, so I call it uncommon instead of common sense
- With safety cult logic, 10 years from now anyone who supports the freedom to drive could be deemed a bad person, we will be told forced AI drivers will save lives
- Safety cult logic led to the Prohibition, it failed, is the only reason they aren't demanding Prohibition now, in an alternate timeline where Prohibition never happened, they would be pushing for more Prohibition right now too
- Safety cult logic leads to forced vaccinations, even in America some people get toxic when someone refuses to vax
- Safety cult logic could lead to a future of all kinds of forced sketchy medical treatments
- Assault rifle ban: Won't work, could make mass shootings easier
- When AR ban doesn't work they will try to ban pistols
- With pistols banned, people will just use shotguns for mass murder purposes
- Eventually all guns could get banned from what started as a supposed "common sense gun control" framework
- Argument for banning ARs is they aren't useful, but the argument doesn't consider rural situations where people are attacked by giant hogs
- Red flag laws are sketch, wouldn't prevent a lot of mass shootings. For instance Eliot Rodger didn't publish the manifesto till right before the shooting
- Red flag laws could enable toxic family or associates to abuse the laws. For instance someone in a toxic marriage could be manipulated by red flag laws. Or if a parent doesn't agree with their offspring's politics they could use red flag laws. Or social media bullies could egg someone on and then use red flag laws against that person
- "Mental health policy" doesn't work in a corporate industrial complex system where Big Pharma dictates everything
- "Mental health policy" would disproportionally effect LGBTs viewtopic.php?t=411779 so its basically a policy that would disarm LGBTs and prevent them from defending themselves against chuds
- "Mental health policy" might not benefit women. For instance a woman might have some kind of mental disorder but is dating a wifebeater chud who has no actual diagnosis, so it might just disarm women instead of chuds
- Gun regulation would reduce American jobs. We should have UBI anyway, but we don't, so at the moment Americans still need jobs


1. Guns aren't alcohol and thus need different regulations for their sale vs. just showing ID for proof of age. This is why we have background checks, safety training, and permits necessary to buy guns here + regulations about storage, transportation, and use. This is in a location where people don't mass murder children daily, so, the regulations must be working pretty good.

2. Licenced drivers who have insured vehicles agree to not operate vehicles over the legal driving limit of 0.05 BAC. There is training and education on this. Signing off on your insurance paperwork indicates that you've read and agreed not to drink and drive, and if you do and cause an accident, your insurance is null & void. Glad we've been able to clear that up for you if you don't have a drivers licence or any insured vehicles yourself and thus did not know that.

3. False equivalence. A bottle of rum has never been used to splatter a bunch of kindergarteners' heads all over a classroom chalkboard. Booze is a mostly recreational drug (but does have medicinal/practical uses - like thinning blood or disinfecting things.), not a weapon designed to propel lethal projectiles through bodies. Very strange that you seem to think they are similar at all.

4. All of the rest of that nonsense isn't deserving of anyone's time to respond to with anything more than: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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06 May 2023, 1:18 pm

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4. All of the rest of that nonsense isn't deserving of anyone's time to respond to with anything more than: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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Checkmate liberals. 8)


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06 May 2023, 1:29 pm

^just use a rumslinger9000 - alcohol is totes the same as guns, duh.


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06 May 2023, 3:33 pm

Rural American here - put up a big ass fence. Long term it will be cheaper than ammo. And safer. I can’t imagine what it would be like to only get to go outside if an adult is guarding you with an assault rifle. (Obviously that is what you are doing, because in three minutes they can’t get your attention and have you turn up with the gun - and if they can, they can also get in the house.)

Also, eat more wild pork! Shoot, butcher, cure/freeze/eat repeat.



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06 May 2023, 3:42 pm

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Rural American here - put up a big ass fence. Long term it will be cheaper than ammo. And safer. I can’t imagine what it would be like to only get to go outside if an adult is guarding you with an assault rifle. (Obviously that is what you are doing, because in three minutes they can’t get your attention and have you turn up with the gun - and if they can, they can also get in the house.)

Also, eat more wild pork! Shoot, butcher, cure/freeze/eat repeat.


A higher number of Americans get to find out what that's like than in pretty much any other country due to the nation's incarceration rates and for profit prisons as an industry.


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06 May 2023, 5:12 pm

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Rural American here - put up a big ass fence. Long term it will be cheaper than ammo. And safer. I can’t imagine what it would be like to only get to go outside if an adult is guarding you with an assault rifle. (Obviously that is what you are doing, because in three minutes they can’t get your attention and have you turn up with the gun - and if they can, they can also get in the house.)

Also, eat more wild pork! Shoot, butcher, cure/freeze/eat repeat.


Stop being reasonable, I need an excuse to own my BAR. :evil:


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08 May 2023, 8:13 pm

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Rural American here - put up a big ass fence. Long term it will be cheaper than ammo. And safer. I can’t imagine what it would be like to only get to go outside if an adult is guarding you with an assault rifle. (Obviously that is what you are doing, because in three minutes they can’t get your attention and have you turn up with the gun - and if they can, they can also get in the house.)

Also, eat more wild pork! Shoot, butcher, cure/freeze/eat repeat.


No way. A four mile fence would cost far more than all the ammo I could possibly use.



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08 May 2023, 8:33 pm

Your kids don’t need four miles to play in. But man, you must get a lot of exercise chasing them around with that rifle.

Oh wait, you have a quad runner don’t you?



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08 May 2023, 8:52 pm

It would have to be a hell of a fence to keep a hog out if it wanted in.
I use dogs to keep hogs away.


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08 May 2023, 9:59 pm

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It would have to be a hell of a fence to keep a hog out if it wanted in.
I use dogs to keep hogs away.


But, do you have enough dogs to dissuade 30-50 feral hogs in 3-5 minutes? :chin:


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08 May 2023, 10:29 pm

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It would have to be a hell of a fence to keep a hog out if it wanted in.
I use dogs to keep hogs away.


But, do you have enough dogs to dissuade 30-50 feral hogs in 3-5 minutes? :chin:

I’ve never seen that many hogs at once.I’ve encountered them in the woods before ,but it was a small sounder of maybe three or four adults and piglets.
I’ve never heard of that many coming in a yard here, ( the Razorback state )but maybe somewhere else.
A good Catahoula dog can take them on but I won’t post a video.


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08 May 2023, 10:41 pm

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I’ve never seen that many hogs at once.I’ve encountered them in the woods before ,but it was a small sounder of maybe three or four adults and piglets.
I’ve never heard of that many coming in a yard here, ( the Razorback state )but maybe somewhere else.
A good Catahoula dog can take them on but I won’t post a video.


But, didn't you see that totally legit question for rural Americans? I'm sure that guy wasn't using hyperbole in the slightest.

Won't somebody pleeeeeease think of the children? :cry: :cry:
And the 30 to 50 feral hogs coming to annihilate them in 3 to 5 minutes? :skull: :skull:


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08 May 2023, 10:47 pm

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adeonibada/30-50-feral-hogs

So Hogman is from Arkansas, I lived in South Arkansas also ,and I never saw that many adult hogs at once.
They can have large litters ,so it’s likely that most of the hogs were small.( smogs) lol
It’s quite possible Texas does have sounders with that many.


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08 May 2023, 10:49 pm

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I’ve never seen that many hogs at once.I’ve encountered them in the woods before ,but it was a small sounder of maybe three or four adults and piglets.
I’ve never heard of that many coming in a yard here, ( the Razorback state )but maybe somewhere else.
A good Catahoula dog can take them on but I won’t post a video.


But, didn't you see that totally legit question for rural Americans? I'm sure that guy wasn't using hyperbole in the slightest.

Won't somebody pleeeeeease think of the children? :cry: :cry:
And the 30 to 50 feral hogs coming to annihilate them in 3 to 5 minutes? :skull: :skull:

Most people would set a trap , pen them up fatten them , and later eat them.Usually the hog loses and the children have spareribs for dinner.


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08 May 2023, 10:59 pm

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I’ve never seen that many hogs at once.I’ve encountered them in the woods before ,but it was a small sounder of maybe three or four adults and piglets.
I’ve never heard of that many coming in a yard here, ( the Razorback state )but maybe somewhere else.
A good Catahoula dog can take them on but I won’t post a video.


But, didn't you see that totally legit question for rural Americans? I'm sure that guy wasn't using hyperbole in the slightest.

Won't somebody pleeeeeease think of the children? :cry: :cry:
And the 30 to 50 feral hogs coming to annihilate them in 3 to 5 minutes? :skull: :skull:

Most people would set a trap , pen them up fatten them , and later eat them.Usually the hog loses and the children have spareribs for dinner.


So, how'd you become a pig farmer?

Well, tʰirty - fifty feral hogs just showed up in muh backyard. All witʰin 3 - 5 minutes. So we closed de gate. Now I'm building a new backyard for my children to play in. Witʰ any luck we'll expand de herd.


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08 May 2023, 11:17 pm

Also makes a dandy play pen for the kids .
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