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Honey69 wrote:
... anarchists typically deploy violence and terrorism.
Actually, no. Some anarchists "deploy violence and terrorism," but many do not.
According to Wikipedia:
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Anarchists' tactics take various forms but in general serve two major goals, namely, to first oppose the Establishment and secondly to promote anarchist ethics and reflect an anarchist vision of society, illustrating the unity of means and ends. A broad categorisation can be made between aims to destroy oppressive states and institutions by revolutionary means on one hand and aims to change society through evolutionary means on the other.
Evolutionary tactics embrace nonviolence, reject violence and take a gradual approach to anarchist aims, although there is significant overlap between the two.
Anarchist tactics have shifted during the course of the last century. Anarchists during the early 20th century focused more on strikes and militancy while contemporary anarchists use a broader array of approaches.
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Evolutionary
Anarchists commonly employ direct action. This can take the form of disrupting and protesting against unjust hierarchy, or the form of self-managing their lives through the creation of counter-institutions such as communes and non-hierarchical collectives. Decision-making is often handled in an anti-authoritarian way, with everyone having equal say in each decision, an approach known as horizontalism. Contemporary-era anarchists have been engaging with various grassroots movements that are more or less based on horizontalism, although not explicitly anarchist, respecting personal autonomy and participating in mass activism such as strikes and demonstrations. In contrast with the big-A anarchism of the classical era, the newly coined term small-a anarchism signals their tendency not to base their thoughts and actions on classical-era anarchism or to refer to classical anarchists such as Peter Kropotkin and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon to justify their opinions. Those anarchists would rather base their thought and praxis on their own experience which they will later theorize.
The decision-making process of small anarchist affinity groups plays a significant tactical role. Anarchists have employed various methods in order to build a rough consensus among members of their group without the need of a leader or a leading group. One way is for an individual from the group to play the role of facilitator to help achieve a consensus without taking part in the discussion themselves or promoting a specific point. Minorities usually accept rough consensus, except when they feel the proposal contradicts anarchist ethics, goals and values. Anarchists usually form small groups (5–20 individuals) to enhance autonomy and friendships among their members. These kinds of groups more often than not interconnect with each other, forming larger networks. Anarchists still support and participate in strikes, especially wildcat strikes as these are leaderless strikes not organised centrally by a syndicate.
As in the past, newspapers and journals are used, and anarchists have gone online in the World Wide Web to spread their message. Anarchists have found it easier to create websites because of distributional and other difficulties, hosting electronic libraries and other portals. Anarchists were also involved in developing various software that are available for free. The way these hacktivists work to develop and distribute resembles the anarchist ideals, especially when it comes to preserving users' privacy from state surveillance.
Anarchists organize themselves to squat and reclaim public spaces. During important events such as protests and when spaces are being occupied, they are often called Temporary Autonomous Zones (TAZ), spaces where art, poetry, and surrealism are blended to display the anarchist ideal. As seen by anarchists, squatting is a way to regain urban space from the capitalist market, serving pragmatical needs and also being an exemplary direct action. Acquiring space enables anarchists to experiment with their ideas and build social bonds. Adding up these tactics while having in mind that not all anarchists share the same attitudes towards them, along with various forms of protesting at highly symbolic events, make up a carnivalesque atmosphere that is part of contemporary anarchist vividity.
Evolutionary tactics embrace nonviolence, reject violence and take a gradual approach to anarchist aims, although there is significant overlap between the two.
Anarchist tactics have shifted during the course of the last century. Anarchists during the early 20th century focused more on strikes and militancy while contemporary anarchists use a broader array of approaches.
[...]
Evolutionary
Anarchists commonly employ direct action. This can take the form of disrupting and protesting against unjust hierarchy, or the form of self-managing their lives through the creation of counter-institutions such as communes and non-hierarchical collectives. Decision-making is often handled in an anti-authoritarian way, with everyone having equal say in each decision, an approach known as horizontalism. Contemporary-era anarchists have been engaging with various grassroots movements that are more or less based on horizontalism, although not explicitly anarchist, respecting personal autonomy and participating in mass activism such as strikes and demonstrations. In contrast with the big-A anarchism of the classical era, the newly coined term small-a anarchism signals their tendency not to base their thoughts and actions on classical-era anarchism or to refer to classical anarchists such as Peter Kropotkin and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon to justify their opinions. Those anarchists would rather base their thought and praxis on their own experience which they will later theorize.
The decision-making process of small anarchist affinity groups plays a significant tactical role. Anarchists have employed various methods in order to build a rough consensus among members of their group without the need of a leader or a leading group. One way is for an individual from the group to play the role of facilitator to help achieve a consensus without taking part in the discussion themselves or promoting a specific point. Minorities usually accept rough consensus, except when they feel the proposal contradicts anarchist ethics, goals and values. Anarchists usually form small groups (5–20 individuals) to enhance autonomy and friendships among their members. These kinds of groups more often than not interconnect with each other, forming larger networks. Anarchists still support and participate in strikes, especially wildcat strikes as these are leaderless strikes not organised centrally by a syndicate.
As in the past, newspapers and journals are used, and anarchists have gone online in the World Wide Web to spread their message. Anarchists have found it easier to create websites because of distributional and other difficulties, hosting electronic libraries and other portals. Anarchists were also involved in developing various software that are available for free. The way these hacktivists work to develop and distribute resembles the anarchist ideals, especially when it comes to preserving users' privacy from state surveillance.
Anarchists organize themselves to squat and reclaim public spaces. During important events such as protests and when spaces are being occupied, they are often called Temporary Autonomous Zones (TAZ), spaces where art, poetry, and surrealism are blended to display the anarchist ideal. As seen by anarchists, squatting is a way to regain urban space from the capitalist market, serving pragmatical needs and also being an exemplary direct action. Acquiring space enables anarchists to experiment with their ideas and build social bonds. Adding up these tactics while having in mind that not all anarchists share the same attitudes towards them, along with various forms of protesting at highly symbolic events, make up a carnivalesque atmosphere that is part of contemporary anarchist vividity.
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To lay out just one benefits of a smaller and weaker federal government, it would turn down the temperature on elections if the winners didn't have a massive apparatus to enforce their will on the rest of the country and more
experimentation was allowed at the state level, instead of the current quest for dominance that occurs whenever one of the parties comes into power.
Plus, burning down federal law enforcement, the IC, and most of the justice system just needs to happen.
On the other hand, some things are better handled at the national level. Having each state be in charge of its own army, navy and air force (and space force) probably wouldn't work as well as having a national-level military.
And, many companies prefer having to deal with the federal government's Consumer Product Safety Commission over having to deal with varying standards across 50 states.
And, pharmaceutical approvals are probably best handled at the national level, by the US Food and Drug Administration, versus each state setting up its own bureaucracy for approving drugs.
I don't know what anyone's problem is with federal law enforcement and the justice system. Granted, individual members of our Supreme Court are supremely corrupt, and there ought to be some accountability.
Mona Pereth wrote:
Actually, no. Some anarchists "deploy violence and terrorism," but many do not.
Okay, but stating that "burning down federal law enforcement, the IC, and most of the justice system just needs to happen" suggests that violence and terrorism are advocated.
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Leslie Jones Warns Voting for ‘Off-the-Rails’ Republicans Could Get the US ‘to a Place Where We Can’t Fix It’
Comedian, actress, author and noted Olympics fan Leslie Jones spoke out Friday against the “off-the-rails” Republican Party and how voting for them could take the United States “to a place where we can’t fix it.”
Posting to X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter, Jones shared to her 1.3 million followers a video from the self-described “pro-democracy news network” MeidasTouch. The “Saturday Night Live” alum also urged her followers to not become “complacent and hopeless” and to instead be “brave enough to do” something about it....
...“THIS IS CRAAAAAZY!!” Jones wrote of the shared video.
The clip from MeidasTouch Network features a speech by former press secretary-turned-Arkansas Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders denouncing the Democratic Party as being “crazy” compared to the Republicans’ “normal” — over a compilation of former President Donald Trump and representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert and George Santos, among others, showing how the GOP is actually made up of the “crazy” ones.
“I’m telling y’all now if we the people don’t get control of this mess it will explode in front of us,” Jones’ tweet continued. “It’s only one party that’s completely [jumping] off the rails. And I’m afraid that it will get to a place where we can’t fix it. And we can, we are just [scared] to be uncomfortable. We are complacent and hopeless ’cause we feel like there is nothing we can do. There is. We just have to be brave enough to do it!!”...
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Honey69 wrote:
... anarchists typically deploy violence and terrorism.
Actually, no. Some anarchists "deploy violence and terrorism," but many do not.
There were quite a few anarchists in the district I lived in at one time, and they were among the most peaceful people I've ever met in my life.
I was surprised to see Mr. Dox called an anarchist, as anarchists seem in general to have strong left-wing tendencies, and though I'm not an anarchist myself, a lot of their ideas resonate well with me. But on reflection it makes sense. See Marx's description of "the anarchy of capitalism." But I think Marx meant chaos rather than what I would call anarchism.
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anarchists seem in general to have strong left-wing tendencies, and though I'm not an anarchist myself, a lot of their ideas resonate well with me. But on reflection it makes sense.
But, anarchists (as I understand the term) generally want to bring down governments, just to groove on the rubble, whereas people with "strong left-wing tendencies" generally want to count on the government to right wrongs, redistribute wealth, provide health care, or what have you.
That's just my understanding. I could be completely wrong.
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Honey69 wrote:
But, anarchists (as I understand the term) generally want to bring down governments, just to groove on the rubble,
No, the point of anarchism isn't "just to groove on the rubble," but to eliminate the violence of police and armies. Anarchists believe it's possible for society to be organized in an entirely nonviolent way, without need for police, prisons, or militaries. (I don't believe this is possible; therefore, I'm not an anarchist.)
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whereas people with "strong left-wing tendencies" generally want to count on the government to right wrongs, redistribute wealth, provide health care, or what have you.
Left-wing anarchists want society to be run by nonviolent cooperative organizations, with rules enforced by, at worst, shaming or shunning.
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Honey69 wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
anarchists seem in general to have strong left-wing tendencies, and though I'm not an anarchist myself, a lot of their ideas resonate well with me. But on reflection it makes sense.
But, anarchists (as I understand the term) generally want to bring down governments, just to groove on the rubble, whereas people with "strong left-wing tendencies" generally want to count on the government to right wrongs, redistribute wealth, provide health care, or what have you.
That's just my understanding. I could be completely wrong.
At risk of sounding snarkier than I intend, have you ever interacted with anarchists or paid attention to what they're after before?
For the most part, the anarchist left seeks to destroy hierarchy and replace it with more consensual relations between members of society.
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For the most part, the anarchist left seeks to destroy hierarchy and replace it with more consensual relations between members of society.
A good concise summary of anarchism as I understand it, yes.
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funeralxempire wrote:
For the most part, the anarchist left seeks to destroy hierarchy and replace it with more consensual relations between members of society.
A good concise summary of anarchism as I understand it, yes.
You had more details, so I figured I could go as concise as possible.
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Honey69 wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
anarchists seem in general to have strong left-wing tendencies, and though I'm not an anarchist myself, a lot of their ideas resonate well with me. But on reflection it makes sense.
But, anarchists (as I understand the term) generally want to bring down governments, just to groove on the rubble, whereas people with "strong left-wing tendencies" generally want to count on the government to right wrongs, redistribute wealth, provide health care, or what have you.
That's just my understanding. I could be completely wrong.
What type of system do you endorse, and where on the political spectrum?
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What type of system do you endorse, and where on the political spectrum?
Well, I absolutely despise everything that the Republican Party currently stands for, and generally has stood for since Reagan.
Beyond that, I favor pragmatism. Nixon founded the EPA, which has done a good job of cleaning the environment. Left to themselves, private firms would have no incentive not to pollute.
Obamacare is basically the system that Nixon had endorsed. He didn't get it passed, because Democrats were holding out for universal coverage. So, we ended up with nothing, until Obama came along.
I favor free health care and education for all.
Maybe end the agricultural subsidies. Those cost a lot, and most of the benefits end up going to the wealthiest agricultural interests. Plus, a lot of the benefits that are supposed to go to farmers end up raising the rents and the prices of farmland (i.e., the government subsidy increases the value of corn, so the landowner will raise the rent that he charges the farmer who wants to plant on his field).
But, at my age, nobody had better touch my social security and medicare.
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Honey69 wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
anarchists seem in general to have strong left-wing tendencies, and though I'm not an anarchist myself, a lot of their ideas resonate well with me. But on reflection it makes sense.
But, anarchists (as I understand the term) generally want to bring down governments, just to groove on the rubble, whereas people with "strong left-wing tendencies" generally want to count on the government to right wrongs, redistribute wealth, provide health care, or what have you.
That's just my understanding. I could be completely wrong.
What type of system do you endorse, and where on the political spectrum?
As for me, I don't fully endorse any system, because no system fully endorses me. If I had to choose one to endorse, it would be the hippiesque wing of socialism, but that's not to say that I'd expect it to work very well. I'm more of an opponent than a supporter of any political system I know of, but I oppose the right wing far more strongly than I oppose the left. And when I say "oppose," I'm more mouth than action.
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Trump Demands Government Make MSNBC ‘Pay’ For Criticizing Him—In Latest Threat Against Critic
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Former President Donald Trump appeared to threaten cable channel MSNBC late Tuesday for its “constant attacks” on him, calling on the government to “make them pay” for the network’s criticism of him as Trump signals he wants to get revenge on his perceived enemies if he’s reelected as president.
Trump referred to MSNBC in a Truth Social post as a “24 hour hit job” on him and the Republican Party “for purposes of ELECTION INTERFERENCE,” calling the network “the world’s biggest political contribution to the Radical Left Democrats.
The ex-president falsely claimed MSNBC “uses FREE government approved airwaves,” even though the network is on cable, which does not use government funding.
Trump called on the government to “come down hard on [MSNBC].
and make them pay for their illegal political activity,” adding, “Much more to come, watch!”
He also attacked Brian Roberts, the CEO of MSNBC’s parent company Comcast, claiming he’s a “slimeball who has been able to get away with these constant attacks for years.”
Trump also suggested Wednesday on Truth Social he wants the Justice Department to go after his enemies, lambasting the Biden administration for its criminal cases against him and warning it “opens up a very big and dangerous Pandora’s Box.”
Trump referred to MSNBC in a Truth Social post as a “24 hour hit job” on him and the Republican Party “for purposes of ELECTION INTERFERENCE,” calling the network “the world’s biggest political contribution to the Radical Left Democrats.
The ex-president falsely claimed MSNBC “uses FREE government approved airwaves,” even though the network is on cable, which does not use government funding.
Trump called on the government to “come down hard on [MSNBC].
and make them pay for their illegal political activity,” adding, “Much more to come, watch!”
He also attacked Brian Roberts, the CEO of MSNBC’s parent company Comcast, claiming he’s a “slimeball who has been able to get away with these constant attacks for years.”
Trump also suggested Wednesday on Truth Social he wants the Justice Department to go after his enemies, lambasting the Biden administration for its criminal cases against him and warning it “opens up a very big and dangerous Pandora’s Box.”
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