I think Aspergeans should NOT have children

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You can be intelligent and not particularly be good at math and sciences, math I always had problems with learning, not likely because of AS, but looking back I likely had dyscalculia. And secondly, consider that some may have been bullied a lot and had problems with school because of it.

I went to college/university myself, just because someone is highly intelligent and all doesn't mean that everyone is good at school, or is able to apply what they learn practically.

Sometimes making assumptions and all just ends up making a person look ignorant about things. At times it's better to go into something without expectations.

There a forum here dedicated to these things. I'm an Engineer and I like to solve some computer programming, geometry, or calculus problems for fun or to jog my memory. But these are my personal activities and really don't need or want to express any of that here. Why would I want someone else to solve my problems. Why would I need to discuss something I'm already comfortable with. This forum is about the spectrum of Autistic disorders. It is going to cover a vast area of intelligence and interests. There are common traits throughout this spectrum. That is what will be talked about most.

I've run into several topics started by NT's. Not knowing this, I posted and found that my responses have nothing with what the OP wanted. I'm confused at first until I realize who I'm responding to. But I figure that NTs need these forums as much as if not more than Aspies. It's great that they want to understand. Aspies should help as much as they can.

Unless of course, if your a troll. Nobody will need or want your opinion. But I suppose that is what drives them to post.

Well, I WOULD like it more if I was really good at it. Logically, it should be EASY! If I do it on paper, it is easy. My problem is I want to really do all of it mentally. I don't know WHY I am so reluctant to do some worthwhile things. I mean if I count things out, it sometimes starts going automatic, and it becomes hard to stop. YET, if I want to start picking numbers at random, and do some calculation to practice mentally, THAT is hard also.

Mw99,

There are like 7 types of intelligence. IQ tests only test about 4. One is math/logic, and ASPIES tend to do well on that, but lean towards logic. Even those that are good at math probably usually do better on the logic part. Another is spatial, and AS people tend to do well there. AS people tend to do better on the verbal than the others though.

One of the ones that ISN'T tested is interpersonal skills, and AS people, and autistics in general, do POORLY on that! HECK, I would probably get like an 80 TOPS on that. there is another that relates to general coordination, and I might score as much as 90 there. On others I would score 100 or better. Overall, I generally test relatively high.

Deeply offended personally!! ! My "Aspie" ways make me an exceptional parent to my FIVE children. I have a wonderful husband who LOVES me for my differences. My children (3 of whom are on the spectrum) are, as I was, EXCEPTIONAL in an educational and personal setting! Should Einstein have never been born? What of Bill Gates? What of the thousands of Aspies who have done AMAZING things in science, mathematics, and the arts? Neurotypicals suffer too, you know, just in other ways! Anyone can find cause to not have children. I think it is a wholly negative and horrendous point of view you hold. My son who could hum Fur Elise at 1 1/2 and sing any song after 1 hearing of it may grow to be the next Mozart. My work in psychology may change the world for Autistics. My daughter's obsession with medicine may save thousands. You cannot judge something you do not understand. Obviously, you do NOT understand the nature of Autism or Asperger's or you would not make such an illogical and totally ignorant judgment such as this.

You are so full of yourself it is unreal!! !! My "issues" in college, for example, have absolutely nothing to do with intelligence (of which you apparently have little) or education ability. My son is in special ed. for the sensory issues he faces...does that make him "dumb" in your foolish and ignorant opinion. Further, because others do not share your obvious "obsession" does not mean a misdiagnoses. Perhaps you are the one who does not have Asperger's. Perhaps YOU are the one who is "not right". I personally can attest to the fact that many here ARE Aspie. We don't come to discuss Math and Science. What idiot informed you they MUST enjoy these topics? Who decided you could make the rules here? Personally, I adore both topics. My major in college (at the University of Notre Dame) is Psychology with a duel minor in neuroscience and communicative disorders. Is this perhaps not enough? I am excelling...4.0 since the start of my collegiate career. I have dealt with amazing difficulties from students and professors. I do not work well in group work because they make me nervous and because of my attention to details others want to gloss over and not fuss about. I cannot concentrate in a loud environment and need ear plugs. I wear very loose clothing. This makes me stand out, bringing unwelcome attention and persecution from ignorant people (who say the same as you, a supposed aspie).

There are others here with similar stories. When you receive a degree as a psychologist, perhaps we will listen. Until that moment, get a clue and quit starting trouble. If you are not here to give or receive support, you need not be here at all. No one needs negativity in a forum that is supposed to be for support. If you were a true aspie, you would KNOW there are difficulties we must face, despite our intelligence. Bill Gates is Aspie...he must jump on a trampoline in his office to make his thoughts more coherent. Einstein flunked out of school as did Thomas Edison. Einstein was so socially inept, he even walked out of a duet he was playing with the Queen of England on his violin because, as he very rudely told her, she played too loud.

Asperger's people have obsessions. There is NOT a qualification for what it must be. Furthermore, have you considered that perhaps the cause of the "math and science" obsession is due to the fact most males are very proficient in those subjects and most aspies are male? Also, as to why so many females here....women talk 3 times more than men, and seek the comfort of other women when distressed....mystery solved as to why so many here. We need someone to confide in and neurotypicals just do not understand us.

You totally missed the actual meaning of what I was trying to say.
I will put it in literal translation- If you think you are too handicapped/soically-inept to have children then don't. Not everyone with Asperger's acts and thinks like you. Don't expect everyone else with Asperger's to think like you either.



Being socially inept is not the same as being fearful of social situations. You could be fearless of social situations and still be socially inept.
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Again, you are assuming that everyone with Asperger's is completely social inept. I don't think this is true. I'm not in any way socially inept and I clearly have Asperger's which contradicts the theory. While many people with Asperger's may have low social skills, I wouldn't be very surprised for many people with Asperger's to have very high social skills or over-eccentric and have no problems behaving in social situations.

You have taken the words, right out of my mouth. Thank you.

I have achieved more than you trolls have or ever will in your lifetimes. I have written 4 books, praised by a World Fantasy Award winning author, and I'm only 18. I write for a newspaper. I'm getting a 100.8% in my college math course. I've gotten all the state awards for tuition and I am getting paid 50 dollars to attend college (meaning, I end up 50 dollars richer).

Satan is the enemy of all, the great deceiver. I think Satan shares traits with the average neurotypical--savage disregard for human feelings, love for malice and, ultimately, utter worthlessness. I think wm950 and jbopper or whatever are typical in this regard. Essentially they are animals, unworthy of reproduction, having the capacity for empathy but choosing it not. They probably are scared of the connotations of Asperger's, as we have high IQs and don't have savage, primitive instincts to harm and kill. The number of Aspergers are increasing. God's eternal kingdom has arrived.

In scholarly articles about Asperger's it says that many people with AS want to reach out to other people.

The problem is that they have a very hard time communication with relationships and friends so it is very hard to express their feelings.

It's not a very big surprise to me that many people would use an online forum to do so.

Think about the situation- If you were totally 100% socially akward/inept(And No-I hate using this word) then you wouldn't want to see a psychiatrist one-on-one or talk to a friend.

You much rather use the internet.

That doesn't make me ret*d or Handicapped, though. The school system didn't know what to do with AS children back in the late 70s and the decade of the 80s. I'm sure that if I was in school, today, I'd be in regular, or advanced classes with an aide. The fact that I was in Special Ed means nothing. I have an IQ of 113. You need an IQ of 70 or lower to be diagnosed as being Mentally ret*d. I suggest that you read up on the statistics. If you really hate us that much, I suggest that you leave.

Do you know what a Routemaster is?

Do you know what a Spitfire is?

Do you know what a Costermonger is?

We have the right to have children as much as anyone else.

I can honestly see your point, as Ive asked myself the same questions you asked (except for #2). Thing is, you should have titled your thread "I think I should NOT have children", rather than "I think Aspergeans should NOT have children". No two aspergeans are exactly the same, and each has their own skills, abilities and opinions about their condition. If having children feels it would be a failure in your case (or my case, for that matter) doesnt mean its going to be a failure for others diagnosed with AS.

And for those complaining there is not enough engineers or science geeks in this forum, let me tell you a little about my story... I studied in engineering during 1 year as I did great in physics all my life, but was personally forced to abandon my studies as "social skills" are highly required for an engineer. I did not know this fact prior to starting my studies, and this made me lost all motivations I had becoming an engineer. Im still a science geek thought.

Anyway, AS is about having a focused interest in some particular matter(s) : this can be fashion trends, music, history, philosophy or... sciences and physics. Science geeks and engineers aspies are just plain bad stereotypes. They are not criterions for AS, neither is IQ.

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Ha ha ha... contaminating the precious NT gene pool.

Since my diagnosis, I've been leaning towards having children more than before, not less.

I wish my parents knew I was AS from a very early age, then who knows what I might have been capable of.

Biodiversity. We need more Aspies... For the GOOD of the gene pool.

I must admit, that when I thought I had just depression, without knowing any underlying cause, I didn't want to pass that along to my children. But now I've got some idea of how to help my kids be happy - how many AS kids born to NT parents don't have that luxury.

Biodiversity only serves to prevent extinction by making it more difficult for a disease to infect a species. It'd be difficult to show a case where more Aspies would be good for the gene pool.

Seeing as though depression is genetic; having kids would be a bad idea based simply on that. If we could find an Aspie who is not predisposed for depression and we could find a mate who would assure that the positive traits of Aspergers would be transmitted while the negative traits would be overshadowed by the NT's genes then breeding would be a good idea.

Not at all. Biodiversity is not limited to resistence to disease. It comes into play regarding almost every way we interact with our environment.

Someone on these forums posted a very insightful comment regarding dark skin and light skin. Summed up, dark skin protects you from the sun causing damage to your skin, but in places with very low sun coverage, light skin absorbs more of the light essential for the production of vitamin D, etc.

So which is the most advantagous or BEST trait to have? Neither! It all depends on how the people interact with the environment.

The NT model is great for a social grouping, adapting to societal structure and conforming to a group mindset. But if some catastrophe eradicated most of the people from the planet. The independence and interaction with the natural world present in AS and HFA, the attention to the environment around us, the tuning in that we are capable of, that would be very handy.

This is one of hundreds of different ways that having AS present in the arsenal of human abailities is a great thing for biodiversity.

As for predisposition to depression... How much of that is based on either not knowing why you're different, not understanding what makes you think differently or when you do know, having some deep seated inferiority complex because deep down, you think that you're a bad thing for the human race? How many Aspies are dpressed because they think, like the original poster of this thread, that they are some cosmic mistake, rather than another valuable branch on the tree of diversity?