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That's what Vegas is for, baby!

Whoah, don't go too far! I didn't say diversity was a worthless pursuit, now did I? There's nothing wrong with diversity per se, but if becomes an overriding prerogative then there are problems. The US is so criticized for being crass cultural imperialists, but the English did it first and did it better.

You mean you'd break up your marriage over something that petty? As disrespectful as adultery is, I cannot believe that you are taking your marriage seriously if you are treating something so comparatively little as grounds on which to terminate the relationship. I'm not trying to convince you to condone adultery. I'm saying it's not very adult at all to completely renounce your partner over it. It isn't a death sentence. It's a problem to be sure, but it's not a death sentence. Furthermore, it would be horribly irresponsible to do when kids are involved.

Do gays even have adultery? Yes, dirvorce hurts the kids and is horrible. But worse is the actually cuckoldry of one's partner.

I meant it's ok to have sex in a monogamous relationship, but that it doesn't require a license by the state.

you have to have a license to f**k now

I was referring to a marriage license.

ohhh...yeah I don't believe in that

I would eventually get married, but I do feel that sometimes one has to "test the water" with someone before getting married.

yeah...I am not waiting even if I do get married
I refuse to marry in a church (or go in one for that matter)

In some ways, you're definitely right. The fact that so many people speak English shows how effective we were. The fact that we have lost our urge to spread our culture and the fact that we are so willing to allow other cultures to supplant our own shows how much self-confidence we have lost as a nation.

I think diversity is definitely a worthless pursuit unless it is justified by a business need. For instance, sometimes you need people with the relevant language skills. In the UK today, hardly anybody can be bothered to learn a foreign language, whereas when the British Empire was at its zenith, we thought it impertinent for the native populations to understand our language, let alone speak it. As a result, it is often necessary to import labour for tasks involving languages, whereas in yesteryear, we would have filled the need ourselves.

Most of the purported benefits of diversity can easily be obtained via other means. If you think I'm wrong, I'm quite willing to hear your arguments about why diversity isn't a worthless aim.

Why? You hate churches that badly?

Canada has only been around since 1867. Before that, only the European trading colonies existed in North America. Maybe the younger nations have different attitudes towards the import/export of culture.

yeah, pretty much
if I got married I'd have the ceremony (if there was one) outside

I am also a New Zealander by virtue of my mother having been born there. New Zealand is an extremely young country. The Mori-Ori (the first inhabitants) only discovered it about 1200 years ago and it was very late that it became known to the Western world.

As for my attitudes towards culture trading in the context of New Zealand, there are only some cultures I think it is helpful to export. The foundation of culture that the UK provided us with is what made us the great nation we are today. The non-Western cultures that exist in New Zealand are not, in my view, helpful.

The Maoris, although they were the dominant culture when the Europeans arrived, have not contributed anything towards New Zealand's culture, except a culture of being dole bludgers, a gang culture, a child abuse culture etc. The sooner the Maori culture disappears from the country, the better, but a P.C.-orientated government is busy handing out loads of money so that Maoris can stay on their backsides.

The Polynesians, mainly living in South Auckland, often share the same vices as the Maoris, sometimes further to the extreme.

I also don't like the way the Howick district of Auckland is known as Chowick because of the enormous numbers of Chinese immigrants. I don't want New Zealand to become just another province of China, as all sorts of evil goes on there, such as suppression of the democratic movement, shopkeepers poisoning rivals' food to wipe out the competition, mafia culture etc.

When it comes to exports, New Zealand has definitely made a mark on the world that is out of proportion to its size. For instance, it produced some wonderful people such as Edmund Hillary and Charles Upham (both notably of Anglo-Saxon origins).

New Zealand was absolutely fine when only the Anglo-Saxon culture had a hold. If we were absolutely fine back then, we have no need to "enrich" our country with diversity.

Marriage with no ceremony and no church. If no one at all is there to officiate / recognize your union, don't hold your breath on the spousal benefits. Marry or no? Commit or no? You absolutely cannot have it both ways.