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26 May 2008, 10:14 pm

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now, I wonder who could have pushed for that, and why?
Maybe the environmentalist wackos lobbying to prevent our country from drilling in ANWAR?
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Don't blame "tree-huggers" for the rise in gas prices. Exxon-Mobile made about $1,000 a second in profits last year. It's price jacking, not polar bears.


Well a lot of you Tree-Huggers SURE are happy about high gas prices 'cos you hope that will force everyone to start riding bicycles everywhere......But I sure-as-hell DO blame all those God Damn Hippie-Ass EcoTARDs for pretty much Killing the Nuclear Power Industry based on your hysterical BS (media)hype :evil: . If you'd learn a little more physics you'd realize that nuclear waste itself is a source of energy in that when concentrated it can be used to make Nuclear Batteries :idea: .
Also it really DOESNT effing help for the EPA to block tapping oil deposits offshore along the West Coast. :x



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26 May 2008, 11:07 pm

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Well a lot of you Tree-Huggers SURE are happy about high gas prices 'cos you hope that will force everyone to start riding bicycles everywhere......But I sure-as-hell DO blame all those God Damn Hippie-Ass EcoTARDs for pretty much Killing the Nuclear Power Industry based on your hysterical BS (media)hype :evil: . If you'd learn a little more physics you'd realize that nuclear waste itself is a source of energy in that when concentrated it can be used to make Nuclear Batteries :idea: .
Also it really DOESNT effing help for the EPA to block tapping oil deposits offshore along the West Coast. :x


That was very coherent and grammatically sound. It's also nice that you insulted environmentalists in the second rather than the third person ("you God Damn Hippie-Ass EcoTards"--I don't remember personally killing the nuclear power industry. Most of the no nukes hype happened in the seventies and eighties, BEFORE I WAS BORN). Argumentum ad hominem: The most civilized way to win an debate!


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26 May 2008, 11:22 pm

Zeppelins were dirigibles, not blimps. They both use gas bladders to provide lift, but differ in their internal structure. A blimp holds its shape due to the pressure of the gas inside, a dirigible had an internal frame that the gas bladders were attached to (if you look at footage of the Hindenburg crashing, you can see this frame). Under most conditions, both types of aircraft are reasonably safe (blimps are still used today as flying billboards), though choosing hydrogen as a lifting gas will reduce the safety margin (the hydrogen filled Hindenburg caught fire because America was the only source of industrial quantities of helium, and they weren't sharing it with Germany).


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26 May 2008, 11:32 pm

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Zeppelins were dirigibles, not blimps. They both use gas bladders to provide lift, but differ in their internal structure. A blimp holds its shape due to the pressure of the gas inside, a dirigible had an internal frame that the gas bladders were attached to (if you look at footage of the Hindenburg crashing, you can see this frame). Under most conditions, both types of aircraft are reasonably safe (blimps are still used today as flying billboards), though choosing hydrogen as a lifting gas will reduce the safety margin (the hydrogen filled Hindenburg caught fire because America was the only source of industrial quantities of helium, and they weren't sharing it with Germany).


My God. You really DO have Asperger's. 8O :cyclops:


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27 May 2008, 2:51 am

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Zeppelins were dirigibles, not blimps. They both use gas bladders to provide lift, but differ in their internal structure. A blimp holds its shape due to the pressure of the gas inside, a dirigible had an internal frame that the gas bladders were attached to (if you look at footage of the Hindenburg crashing, you can see this frame). Under most conditions, both types of aircraft are reasonably safe (blimps are still used today as flying billboards), though choosing hydrogen as a lifting gas will reduce the safety margin (the hydrogen filled Hindenburg caught fire because America was the only source of industrial quantities of helium, and they weren't sharing it with Germany).


It's also been pointed out that the Hindenburg had effectively been painted with rocket fuel, which is actually what orginally ignited, not the hydrogen. This was initally proven in one of the Secrets of the Dead episodes on PBS (Link), the disproven on Mythbusters. This has resulted with both sides saying the other did it wrong, though in a very casual manner since frankly it isn't a huge issue. I personally favor the Secrets of the Dead test, as it involved an actual piece of the Hindenburg ballon, and ignited it with static electricity, which would have been the ignition source in either case (Mythbusters used a blowtorch).



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27 May 2008, 9:07 am

The Mythbusters test was to see if the powdered aluminum (which, when you light it, burns fast and hot, and is the main ingredient in Thermite) in the Hindenburg's paint was the behind the rapid destruction of the ship, or if the hydrogen lift gas would be sufficient to cause the destruction. For the purposes of that test, the ignition source was not important, just the behavior of the materials once lit. I don't think I've seen that episode of Secrets of the Dead, but from what you've said, it sounds like their primary concern was potential ignition sources.


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27 May 2008, 9:42 am

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Zeppelins were dirigibles, not blimps. They both use gas bladders to provide lift, but differ in their internal structure. A blimp holds its shape due to the pressure of the gas inside, a dirigible had an internal frame that the gas bladders were attached to (if you look at footage of the Hindenburg crashing, you can see this frame). Under most conditions, both types of aircraft are reasonably safe (blimps are still used today as flying billboards), though choosing hydrogen as a lifting gas will reduce the safety margin (the hydrogen filled Hindenburg caught fire because America was the only source of industrial quantities of helium, and they weren't sharing it with Germany).


My God. You really DO have Asperger's. 8O :cyclops:



Sounds to me like you very may have been misdiagnosed :P . Or possibly you just have a very mild case of asperger syndrome :wink: .In fact, are you against Nuclear Energy? I do feel PRETTY PISSED OFF at those who are and who take part in enacting and enforcing policies which have essentially killed the Nuclear Industry. :x Furthermore, changing the subject just a bit here, in general the more moving parts you have in an engine the lesser the fuel efficiency.



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27 May 2008, 12:50 pm

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Sounds to me like you very may have been misdiagnosed :P . Or possibly you just have a very mild case of asperger syndrome :wink: .In fact, are you against Nuclear Energy? I do feel PRETTY PISSED OFF at those who are and who take part in enacting and enforcing policies which have essentially killed the Nuclear Industry. :x Furthermore, changing the subject just a bit here, in general the more moving parts you have in an engine the lesser the fuel efficiency.


ICD:10---pervasive developmental disorders

Autism
---speech and developmental delay
---compulsive behavior
---impairment of social interaction

Childhood Degenerative Disease
---onset of severe autistic symptoms in late childhood

Rett's Disorder
---seemingly normal development until nursery school years, when there is a profound regression
---hand-wringing, loss of purposeful hand motion
---inability to walk
---small head size (microcephaly)
---poor speech and other classical autism symptoms

PDD-NOS
---used to designate a person who obviously has a PDD but fits no clear diagnostic category

Asperger's Syndrome
---normal though pedantic speech and lack of developmental delay
---compulsive behavior
---impairment of social interaction
---support of nuclear power programs

We must inform the psychiatric community! A new and defining symptom of Asperger's has been discovered! Woah, I say! Hold those presses!

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27 May 2008, 1:23 pm

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Don't blame "tree-huggers" for the rise in gas prices. Exxon-Mobile made about $1,000 a second in profits last year. It's price jacking, not polar bears.


But its so much fun to beat up the enviros. The fact that the polar bear hasn't stopped a single barrel of oil from being produced is immaterial... the polar bear might reduce us to living in unheated shacks without electricity someday if those Noah-type enviros are not routinely pilloried.



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27 May 2008, 4:44 pm

I don't object to nuclear power on principle. It's a pretty good source of energy, especially when you need a lot of it. You do have to be very careful with its byproducts, though. They tend to be both chemically and radioactively hazardous (though this is somewhat mitigated because in most cases, they're solids, which won't try to flow or float away on you like liquids and gases). It also doesn't help that nuclear fuel production is pretty messy on the front end and can be a difficult process (you can't build too big a pile of high grade uranium ore or it will go critical on you). I think as we move away from fossil fuels, nuclear energy could help ease the transition somewhat, though due mainly to the issues around production and disposal of fuel, it won't be a silver bullet.


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27 May 2008, 5:58 pm

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Don't blame "tree-huggers" for the rise in gas prices. Exxon-Mobile made about $1,000 a second in profits last year. It's price jacking, not polar bears.


But its so much fun to beat up the enviros. The fact that the polar bear hasn't stopped a single barrel of oil from being produced is immaterial... the polar bear might reduce us to living in unheated shacks without electricity someday if those Noah-type enviros are not routinely pilloried.



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NOOOOOO! NOT THE POLAR BEARS! SCARY SCARY SCARY! :)


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27 May 2008, 6:06 pm

Definitely a misdiagnosis as far as little MissPickwickian is concerned. And NO, your views on nuclear power(IF you even have any)are totally irrelevant. BTW, FYI, your sarcasm is quite obvious even though you tried to be subtle. But hey, that doesnt mean you have Asperger Syndrome :lol:. Yep, I just Love teenagers! :roll:



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27 May 2008, 6:10 pm

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Sounds to me like you very may have been misdiagnosed :P . Or possibly you just have a very mild case of asperger syndrome :wink: .In fact, are you against Nuclear Energy? I do feel PRETTY PISSED OFF at those who are and who take part in enacting and enforcing policies which have essentially killed the Nuclear Industry. :x Furthermore, changing the subject just a bit here, in general the more moving parts you have in an engine the lesser the fuel efficiency.


ICD:10---pervasive developmental disorders

Autism
---speech and developmental delay
---compulsive behavior
---impairment of social interaction

Childhood Degenerative Disease
---onset of severe autistic symptoms in late childhood

Rett's Disorder
---seemingly normal development until nursery school years, when there is a profound regression
---hand-wringing, loss of purposeful hand motion
---inability to walk
---small head size (microcephaly)
---poor speech and other classical autism symptoms

PDD-NOS
---used to designate a person who obviously has a PDD but fits no clear diagnostic category

Asperger's Syndrome
---normal though pedantic speech and lack of developmental delay
---compulsive behavior
---impairment of social interaction
---support of nuclear power programs

We must inform the psychiatric community! A new and defining symptom of Asperger's has been discovered! Woah, I say! Hold those presses!

:roll:


BIRDWALK! :mrgreen:



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27 May 2008, 6:18 pm

What's the topic now?

Oh, yes. Nuclear power(fission and fusion), energy cells, and other types of renewable energy, with the exception of biofuels, are the way forward. Oil is definitely going to become too scare sooner or later, and no amount of lies can cover that up.


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27 May 2008, 6:22 pm

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What's the topic now?

Oh, yes. Nuclear power(fission and fusion), energy cells, and other types of renewable energy, with the exception of biofuels, are the way forward. Oil is definitely going to become too scare sooner or later, and no amount of lies can cover that up.


what about the oil field found a couple of years ago in the gulf of mexico and other various new reserves that are being found?

peak oil seems to me, at the moment, to be more of an issue of price control on the part of oil companies and creating a false shortage rather than a legit shortage.



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27 May 2008, 6:30 pm

Yes, oil companies probably are keeping production low and prices high, and that should be dealt with. Perhaps some governments should buy out a few oil companies in order to force prices down. Even if supplies last for another 50-100 years, they'll still run out, and pollute the atmosphere even more. The days of dependence on oil are numbered, and more action should be, and will be taken in the medium to long term.


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