Palestine Israel conflict?

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which nations? one of those pictures you put up was that of terrorists and a kid...that's not especially conscription.

The first two were Lebanese, the latter two Palestinian.

"ethnic clensing" of all the palestinian muslims in the area?

Why of All? They would have to destroy 16% of their own population if they followed that thinking.

If they went into Palestine with intent of destroying all who are set on destroying them, they could put down the insurgency which has been attacking them. Doing so would cause an outcry from the world. It is a scene all too common considering how many times Israel enters Palestinian territories and then told to retreat.

I find this situation very frustrating, since logic and reason play so little part in it. There really is no quick and easy solution, and everybody is in the wrong in some way or another. That being said, I tend to side with the Israelis, since I feel that their culture and values are more advanced than those of the Arabs they are fighting with. I seem to recall that they had good luck with a fence a few years back, and had a very long period without any successful terrorist attacks, despite the assassinations of several terrorist leaders. The way things are going, I halfway think they ought to just fence the whole country off, toss out the Palestinians, and say "don't come back". Not very nice, I know, but it's not a very nice conflict, either.

an island among others is no way to exist and impossible to maintain.

no,
I gave u those lines,
"The Jewish national movement was created by the Jews of the "Haskala" which by definition were secular and nationhood evolving out of religion is not something unheard of,
many modern nation were created by the same process.
"
which u choose to ignore,
guess dishonesty and bigotry goes hand in hand.
Teaching you the history of Israel will consume most of the bandwidth of this site,
Zionism was a secular movement that was inspired by the nationalization of Europe and the socialist ideas of that times.
from Wikipedia:
"the modern movement was mainly secular, beginning largely as a response by European Jewry to antisemitism across Europe.[6]"
U might want to educate yourself instead of wasting ppl time on explaining to u the obvious.



What's next?
r u going to deny the holocaust too?
How ignorant a man have to be in order to imply that Jews didn't suffer from racism?
Is there is no limits to your stupidity?
Again,
the prosecution of Jews is well documented at countless records,
please make the effort and read.
Jews were butchered and expelled from just about every were,
Pogromming the Jews and torturing them was considered past time in Europe for centuries,
Any since u obviously knows less than nothing let me tell you that most of the Jews were very poor.
There r many reasons why Jews did better then African American.
The culture gap is much smaller.
Jews r very bookish because Judaism is a religion of a Book.
Jews knew how to write,read and count much better than the European at the early times of modern commerce and industry which gave them an obvious advantage,
Too bad for you but prosecuting ppl doesn't stop them from seeking knowledge.




That not true,
I didn't accuse anyone of racism but you,
Also explained to you why i think u r a racist,
an explanation that in your typical dishonesty choose to ignore.



Sure,
Europe managed to exterminate most of my people,
Wasn't much better for the Jews at the east,
The state of Israel at least give us a chance to fight back,
And as long as people like you exist it is not safe for us anywhere else.

The situation is complex, but I don't believe any conflict is unsolvable. Look at the way Europe has peacefully united only a few decades after two world wars and a cold war.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Certainly Jews were not persecuted in every place simultaneously. Jews have lived in peace for thousands of years in China and India, places which didn't suffer from the kind of religious fanaticism which used to exist in Europe. But that doesn't mean they weren't persecuted elsewhere. That's like pointing to the owner of Harrods and saying "he's rich, obviously there's no such thing as anti-Arab racism!"

Western Europe where the Rothchild's made their money was relatively tolerant at the same time that Tsarist Russia was kicking Jews off their farmland and into ghettos with the May Laws, and forbidding them to join trade guilds (and then the antisemites complained that Jews didn't engage in "honest trades" like farming!)


Oh they did, for hundreds of years. Fortunately for the Jews that left to places like America they found that they were free to practice their religion and they were seen as just another immigrant group like the Italians and the Irish (who had also faced hardships back in Europe).

No one would say that Italians or Irish or Jews in the Western world are oppressed now. But they certainly were in the past.

Of course it helps that in America, a Jew (or Italian or Irish Catholic) who doesn't mention his religion is just another wh***y assumed to be a WASP. The difference with black people is that they can't just choose to blend in. I really hope that if Obama is elected people will finally see that skin colour doesn't matter.

I don't think the holocaust justifies any human rights abuse currently being committed by the Israeli government. I don't think human rights abuses by any country can ever be justified. But anyone who does not see the effect that the holocaust had on Israel's founding (only a few years later) is ignoring history. There were other factors too: the partition of India in 1947 was seen as a precedent for the partition of the Palestinian mandate in 1948. The partition of India was presumably considered 'successful' by the West even though it involved the killing, displacement and land theft of millions of Hindus and Muslims.

Tell that to the countless Aspies who live and die alone because they were unlucky to born into a primitive an barbaric society/

Jews in Tunisia and Morocco and even the Jews in Lebanon lived for peace for thousands of years, unfortunately things changed for the Jews here after the first Israeli invasion on 1982, jews started to face harassments by many Muslims and nationalist Christians , even the ones who were not willing or working with Israel faced harrassements , such harrassements forced most of the jews to leave the country. This is an ugly side of human nature tho and such jerks exist everywhere, it's just like what happened to the Japaneses in US during WWII as well to the Arabs there after 9/11 and I am quite sure it happens a lot to the Arabs in Israel. There are only very few jews left in Lebanon today, I personally only met one.

You are talking to me as if the Arab world is one country, the Arab world is not one country and each country seek its own benefits and security. Arabs talk too much about Palestine cause but not the Lebaneses , we already scarified a lot.

As a side note, the PLO played it dirty in Lebanon and that's one of the reasons for their lack of civil rights today. Just look at the Armenians here, they came in thousands here , they lived in camps at first but they were very peaceful people, they've never been involved in the civil war and they've never held a weapon against us during and after the civil war and they always respected the laws.They are now first class citizens and have the full civil rights and opportunities to achieve high positions like any other sect. Armenians today have their own Churches and their own schools and institutions and they are fully free to practice their religion.



Survivors of what? the Holocaust? I respect your ancestors struggles in Europe but should the Palestinians and the Lebanese be the payers for a crime they didn't commit?


Btw, let me ask you something: doesn't the bible teach you that Lebanon is a part of the promised land? How you want us not to feel threated by you while this is your basic faith?

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the PLO also played it dirty in Jordan and paid a terrible price there,
and the PLO played it dirty here, though Israel would never treat them like King Hussein did.



Yes,
Most of my family vanished with out a trace in the Holocaust.
But the Palestinians doesn't pay the price of the holocaust,
They pay the price ot their unwillingness to share the land in accordance with the international law and choosing violence over negotiations.
Zionism and Jewish immigration started many years before the the holocaust,
Unfortunately the Lebanese pays for the crimes of the Palestinians and the hizbulla,
not a single shot was exchange between Israel and Lebanon prior to the Palestinian using your country as a base for terror activity against Israel civilians.



Do u really believe that the bible dictate Israel strategic planes?
Even the west bank and east Jerusalem which is the center of the ancient Israel could be still part of Jordan had they not took part in the 6 days war.
(why didn't the Palestinian established a state then when it was ruled by their friends?)
Israel and Lebanon never had any territorial dispute or exchanged single shot between them,
As i wrote before,
When i was a child this border was so tension free it wasn't even marked,
We used to cross it just for fun,
Trouble began only when the Palestinian used your land to launch attacks at our civilians.

I dream of an open border between our 2 countries,
Beirut is much closer to my location then Tel-Aviv and i know the mentality is not that different as both of our societies r quite free minded, uninhibited, and into the colorful lighter side of life.
Don't u like to take your car and drive to Haifa or Tel Aviv or Cairo?
Haifa is about a hour or two of driving along the sea,
The Arab countries can help the Palestinian cause by making peace with Israel,
Look how helpful to our common cause Egypt has become since it took the part of the middle man between Israel and the pals.
I have no doubt that Lebanon have a lot to gain by coexisting with Israel,
It would speed both countries development on many levels and such a move is not against the interest of the pals,
On the Contrary.

Mainly Palestine.

and this:






that was the start of it. they still need to work on the whole "prejudice the civil and religious rights" of palestinians...but i think the israeli government sees such concepts as null with the arab-israeli war of 1948 (which didn't include palestine though soldiers from egypt** fought under a palestinian name financed through amin al-husseini).


**typo fixed.

The British Didn't kept their promises to the Jews,
They fought,arrested,hanged,expelled the Jews and blocked the their immigration.

Words are meaningless in the world of politics,
And since the Jews support was guaranteed to the British as they were fighting the Nazis,
they decided to move their support to the Palestinians who support the Nazis in order to appease them.
while Palestinians didn't took part in the 5 armies that attacked Israel they fought the Jews as part of local groups and gangs and many times where much more effective and lethal than the big Arab armies.




Again,
In Israel u r free to practice any religion u like,
While in the countries around us u don't,
it's simple as that.
Under Israel Muslims can pray at their holy place,
Where under Jordan Jews were forbid access the their holiest of places.

I read a really horrible post on the david icke forum that when an israeli needs an organ they just kidnap an arab and take the organ! I think it might just be an anti semetic rumor though.