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Agreed,

I love PPR. I am opinionated to a fault and I like people who are able and willing to put me back in my box, these same people are also very supportive and informative. We do have a good community here, I find it fantastic that we can argue to the depths of hell on one topic and then agree with one another on a different one with no apparent ill feelings.

Please MODS take it easy and make informed and thoughtful decisions, PPR is a great place for ASD's who like to discuss/debate events and topics that the general population don't really give a damn about.

Indeed. Myself and DentArthurDent may argue heatedly, but in the end I feel we both have a level of respect for one another. As much as we disagree on many things, I don't think either of us would like to see the other booted, and any blows we exchange are not really intended to harm.

And anyways, PPR simply isn't that bad. Real flamewars are pretty rare here. We have the occasional problem, but doesn't it make more sense to deal with that as it happens?

^ not wanting to start a love fest but I deeply respect your opinion.

If I post and the likes of Orwell, AG, SM, Chever, Toad, Claire, Malsane et al do not respond then whats the point. If I get shot down in flames then at least I have learnt something, If you agree then I have had my opinion validated by a diverse group of highly intelligent folk. More often than not we all listen to each others take on a specific subject and after the initial phase of disagreement we tend to come to some kind of understanding. Intense debate is a great way to come quickly come to an informed understanding of a topic. PPR works well and should be left as it is. As Orwell just suggested surely it is better to deal with problems as they arise in a open and informed manner.

I do not know what issues QM and Mr Mark had to put up with a few months ago but can we all agree that the mods are trying to maintain a safe environment for a group of people that have been bullied and marginalised in mainstream society. QM I think you went about this in the wrong way but I understand your motives, all that is needed is a mod presence on the PPR, but I stress that given the nature of the forum and therefore the people that it attracts you need to be flexible and consultative.

In-Dent topic

If I disagree with what someone writes (now, not when I first joined) I ignore it. This is what other members do to me. It is just plain silly to get upset about someone's meltdown. I do not try to convince someone to adopt my POV. I have spent years cultivating my opinions, am open to new ideas but my mind is set on certain theories, etc. It is always interesting to read about what others here write, but to get all emotional about it? I have enough drama in my real time life.

That was an insightful (not inciteful!) post from DentADent.

I still have not voted. I have to assume my vote will count since the poll was created by a moderator. I am at this point, inclined to vote that it is fine the way it is. This statement is what is holding me up.

This is why I wanted to know if anyone was complaining about being attacked. If the people being attacked do not care...then fine. It guess it is not my business. It still gives me ambivalent feelings about the situation. I personally would not care for it to be directed at me. For example, I recently saw a post which began with the words, 'Are you a f**king ret*d?'. If the winning vote is for things to stay the same, will I be out of luck seeking moderation if something like this is directed at me?

No, because the current situation is that action is taken in response to complaints, but otherwise mods typically let us run wild.

Do you think some people do not post in this forum because they are the type who would not complain or are afraid to complain, and avoid the forum to avoid attack...therefore avoiding the need to complain about attacks?

Possibly. I did vote for more moderation, but the issue is how much more. Something like what QM was threatening, namely a massive crackdown and purging of "troublemakers" seems pretty clearly overboard to me, and apparently a number of other posters agree. But we could also do with some type of demi-mod who could maintain a certain level of civility and step in when things got heated in here.

Well then, I think I may just vote for more moderation. I do not think people should be being all hateful to each other here anyway and who knows, maybe we will get a few more people posting their views. There are some pretty interesting people on this site.

Curious...is there some type of alarm to tip off moderators about certain words being used? I noticed they have most all stopped by since I quoted those nasty words. If so, have they just been letting these things slide...rather than missing them? I know it has to be impossible for a few people to read every post on this site.

Yes.

There are various things going on here.

Some people do not visit PPR, because, although they might like to discuss a PPR subject, they cannot handle the reception they get.

Some people who do spend time in PPR think they can extend their behaviour in there to the rest of the board.

If this poll were to be regarded as binding, in any sense, and the vote went for less moderation, you would get less. So yes... if you complained, we'd say (I suppose) "you went in there: it's your own fault". However, you can forget that scenario.

The moderators respond to complaints. We have been getting them. Where the rules get broken (or even pushed too hard) in PPR, we will be taking a less lenient stance.

There is nothing "special" about PPR. It is subject to the same rules as the rest of WP. It is not a private playground for a small clique of members. If there are members who find it impossible to stay within the rules, they are at liberty to form their own forum elsewhere. It's been done before.

WP tries to be a support site for the majority of its members. That's never going to be all of them. Just a majority. If your concept of "getting support via WP" must include you being allowed to be insensitive to most of the other members, then you have a problem.

I wouldn't go that far. There is an expectation of some reasonableness.

An expectation, yes, though it may not always be lived up to. Until relatively recently, mods seemed to more or less ignore PPR unless specific complaints were brought to them. There've been a handful of flamewars that never attracted moderator attention.

Let you run wild? of course we let you run wild. PPR has become a sand box for you lot to work it out for yourselves with out anyone getting socked in the jaw. If a certain percentage of the general population want to roughouse and not get too bent out of shape about it , then rock on, brother, rock on!

I am not for stifling growth and development. If people use these threads to intellectually rough house, then it seems like a good idea to me . Gawd knows you might need it after being regimented in whatever you do all day. But what ticks me off is when the denizens who should know better savage people you KNOW (if you had thought about it )wandered in here not knowing it was a war zone for some of you.

If the thread can't moderate itself to some extent, then we have to do something about it for the good of the whole forum.

Merle

Well, I think that voting for more moderation was a bad idea, even if you wanted a bit more moderation. I don't trust an analysis of "how much more" to go on if the "more" option is selected. Orwell, you should be smarter, you are dealing with other people, you should promote the option you expect them to screw up the least.

Yes, I realize this. I was the first to vote and have attempted to clarify the reasons for my vote in multiple posts. As far as being smarter in dealing with other people, what do you expect from an Aspie?