if you voted for obama then you are a racist

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This has got to be one of the Dumbest posts Ive seen in the PPhR forum in quite a while!

well... there are underlying points. If you voted for him just because he is black. then yeah, there is a problem. In the same way that you vote for a different candidate because he is white.

The OP said, as I quoted him, that he voted for McCain cos McCain is a white boy. And THEN he claims to know the motives of those who voted for Obama, claiming they're "racist" because they voted for him "cuz he's black"! A racist accusing others of being racist............

There are many reasons for voting for McCain other than his pale complexion:

1. He is brave and has a good war record.
2. He has a maverick twist which some people like.
3. He is more conservative than liberal.
4. He chose Sarah of the Frozen North as his running mate. When was the last time a babe ran for vice president. It sure wasn't Geraldine Ferraro, mafia gun moll.
and other reasons.

None of the above involve or imply a racial bias.

ruveyn

I did NOT vote for him precisely for reason #3 and I really dont give a f_ck about Sarah Palin being a "babe"! You guys who voted for McCain because you think Palin is hawt are Losers. Im not a conservative because it is clearly NOT in my self-interest and I favor the individual over the group.

Well, it is a good point, which the OP made. It's a kind of inverse racism. I would have voted for a white candidate though despite not being racist. The only candidate I like issuewise was Bob Barr. I like the picture where someone photoshopped Obama to be white and McCain to be black and wrote: focus on the issues please.

I did not vote for McCain. I wrote in C'thulhu (the Primordial Evil being created by H.P.Lovecraft) because I was just plain tired of voting for the lesser of evils. I decided to go first class for once.

I pointed that there were several reasons for voting -for- McCain none of which involved race, which is a denial of the point you made.

By the way, if you favor the individual over the group you should beware of collectivist policies pursued by Obama and his left leaning buddies. Both the conservatives and the ultra-liberals are statists who believe government is the most important element in our society. This is a highly anti-individualist position. Governments and the people who comprise them neither sow crops, spin and weave cloth nor make the machines of industry. Individual producers do that. Thomas Jefferson once said that if government were to ordain when we should sow and when we should reap, we should all soon want for bread. I would recommend regarding Obama's glittering promises with a degree of skepticism.


Now I have a riddle for you: What is a camel? Answer: A horse designed by Congress.

ruveyn

Good points.

As for this nonsense about voting for Cthulhu, I dont mean to be a buzzkill but that joke is getting SO old. Im sick of people making fun of H P Lovecraft and his creations....

I think this was making only fun of the political process.

Really? Congress would have designed horses with improved desert survival biology?

OK maybe I exaggerated a little bit with a couple of things, but my overall point is that the lands are COMPLETELY changing because of them, and it is happening on an overwhelming rate. What gives them the right to do that? Just because they are human they can take their culture and race and replace what is there already? We were there first, and I'm just saying I would hate to see Europe become dominantly muslim, it's bad enough as it is. The identity of the land should not change any more, it has enough things to struggle over. Would I care if there were maybe a few here and there? No, because it doesn't threaten the stablility of anything. In the year 2006, the muslim population in Europe was over 50%! !! A whopping amount of them residing in Russia! And they are still pooring in by the hundreds to this day! Now that is something to be concerned about, I'm sorry if no one else agrees with me. Europe is dying, and again no one understands the need to care, which is depressing in my opinion. Also I'm done on this topic, it upsets me and I'm tired of discussing it.

Good point. In the next election I am going to write in Beelzebub.

ruveyn

I agree with you on one thing- it is pointless, at least for me, to discuss this with you, because you fail to deliver logical arguments, and I don't understand the herd/social instinct thingy that makes you feel sympathy for your race/ethnicity any more than for other humans. sorry, but I just don't "feel" it. so however hard you try, I will never understand you point of view correctly, at least not in the practical sense.

I'm not sure now what your point of view is anyway, since you keep talking about "muslims" who in your opinion "invade" Europe, and who you think will dominate us etc... I would suggest that you read some books about the French Revolution, maybe that would give you some idea on why it is not at all likely for Europeans to surrender to any sort of religion/ideology.

you say that Europe is changing because of the muslim immigrants... well, I don't know how many times you've been to Europe, but I reside here full time and TBH I haven't noticed any changes that I wouldn't like. I bloody love Tikka Masala and the fact that I have a Chinese take-away around the corner. it's easy for you to criticise from across the pond, when in fact you probably have very little idea about how Europe's *really* changed over the years. as you said, you don't care what happens to your own homeland, yet you preach to us what you don't yourself practice...

and if you think that the whole argument breaks down to "who was here first" then I guess you'd support ETA terrorists as Basques are the only aboriginal Europeans (of course going far back enough, they are not) and we are all invaders...

and I don't understand why you said that "Europe is dying"... Europe is very much alive and doing well, some countries are doing really well demographically speaking, we have great healthcare and social security system, and you... wait, you don't have all this, do you? no, you don't.

I don't expect you to respond as you're pursuing a hopeless argument anyway...

Fine, I'll give it one more shot, to see if anyone will understand. The point is I originated from Europe, and I want Europe to stay Europe because I love my ancestory (which includes race/culture/land). You say Europeans don't give in to other beliefs personally and I know this. The second point is that they are OVERpopulating large areas, and soon they will become dominant because of the liberal acceptance of everyone. So most country leaders acting like the west in this way not caring about this problem in the least. I DO NOT think my race is any more than other humans, I'm just an extreme conservative when it comes to these things. I do love my folk, so I want what is best for them, thats all. I want their ways of life and so forth to be preserved for as long as possible. This will not happen if things continue the way they are, that is all I'm saying.
Another point being that I don't believe my homeland is supposed to be like the East, so yes your right, I don't care if it's a melting pot. You made comments about chinese food and such, of course I don't mind if there are some immigrants here and there, it's unlikely they could do anything as bad as Islam is currently doing. They are the ones I have problems with, for more reasons than just this.
And what I meant by my land of origin is dying is that it is dying in an ethnic way. You read this already, in 2006 it was 50% muslim! (um, something wrong with this picture?) Since then the rate of them coming there has certainly not slowed down.
I know you have better education and health care, which makes me love it even more, why did you think it was something to use that attitude about? As if I thought my country was better or something :s
I don't know if I offended you by saying muslims are getting out of control with their overpopulation or something, but I feel I did somehow and I am sorry. *shrugs* I just don't know.

^^ok I don't understand your particular dislike for muslims, but if you don't want to elaborate, so be it. but the 50% figure is... just... I don't even find the words... it's plain ridiculous. it doesn't hold any truth even for the EU countries with the biggest muslim diasporas, like France, yet for the whole of Europe! it's just plain ridiculous, and you should not believe it.

I agree that EU governments have gone a little too far in political correctness (the puppy police ad incident was the most hilarious in my humble opinion) but there is a strong trend now to stop this kind of behaviour and enforce the same, religiously-neutral rules for everyone. I believe that Europeans are far too experienced by their history to surrender their identity(ies) to a religious concept. you shouldn't think that any amount of immigrants is going to change the European cultural mindset. try worrying about more serious things :p

It's not dying, it's changing... which isn't anything new... culture inevitably changes from one generation to the next - that can't be stopped or even controlled. It will happen and you will have nothing to say about it. End of story. You may as well try to stop the tides. But it happened in every generation from the very first cave men until you were born. How come your culture is better than the ones that came before it? Why is your culture better than the Roman culture or the Greek culture of Alexander the Great or the earlier cultures of Egypt or Persia or Mesopotamia? Should cultural drift have stopped at one of those? Or perhaps cultural drift is bad in general, maybe we should all still have the same cultural mores as cave men? Note that I'm not talking about technology -- take or leave that, whatever you like. I'm not talking about going back to bronze age or stone age technology. What I'm saying is, well gee, at one point in time a large amount of the population of the earth was ruled by an Egyptian Pharaoh, who at that time was required to marry his sister. We don't particularly like that idea as a matter of fact our legal requirement is exactly the opposite, but that's what cultural drift is and does. There are aspects of every culture that can be seen in a positive or negative light. Why should we spend our time trying to stop the drift? What's so special about our culture specifically that it should be held up as being better or more important than all other prior cultures?

With regard to an influx of Muslims... meh... it is what it is... not too long ago Ireland was being overrun by an influx of technology workers from Germany. Why? Because Ireland was having an IT boom while the IT industry was suffering in other areas, especially in Germany. If there's any truth to the idea of an influx of Muslims in your area, it's likely that trend is influenced by a similar economic incentive.