JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD AND SAVIOR

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There's nothing wrong with that Krush8888, but your OPost really came across as preachy and proselytizing.

Well at least you may have a sense of humour which is encouraging. However, just throwing assertions at people annoys them unless you back up your statements. All you seem to give are more assertions and sound bites. The internet is full of people saying "Believe this or believe that or face the consequences".

Muslims are increasingly doing this on the internet forums saying "Read the Koran and believe in Allah or you will go to hell". Just assertions. Why should anyone take your assertions any more seriously than the Muslims or other religious wacko's out there?

Allah is a different name for God in another language I'm not sure what I just learned that.

ShadowGirl:

Not exactly. The word "allah" translates to God. It is an Arabic word.

That bit out of the way, the word indicates a different deity than the Jewish or Christian God. The Muslim god does not in any way correspond with the Jewish or Christian God. For that matter, Jews and Christians don't always agree on what God is.

And there's. of course, Zeus who altered slightly the spelling of His name and wrote "The Cat in the Hat" that was inscribed in stone tablets and Moses brought it down from the mountain. He keeps changing His name.

I'm not being offensive... I get the impression that you don't know much about other religions or about science? I suggest that if you are going to try to debate with other people and try to convince them of the validity of your beliefs that you find out more about these things. You just can't go around making assertions and expecting people to take you seriously unless you can back up those statements in some sensible way.

I've been passionate about science and religion since I was ten years old. I've studied physics to degree level at university, I've read the bible and attended various Christian churches. I was a monk (Buddhism / Advaita Vedanta) for over a year. I take the subject of life, religion, spirituality, the universe and the nature of something called 'God' very seriously. Sound bites "believe this or else" are completely wasted on me. I've heard them all, from most religions on the planet, each promising its own versions of heaven or hell if you worship their God or some cult leader.

Actually, interestingly enough, it is thought that Allah may be cognate with Elohim, or related at the least. So it may be in fact the same word, more or less, as one used sometimes in the Jewish (and by extension) Christian) tradition for God.

Twoshots:

Linguistically, you make sense. What I think the root forms are sound similar.

What I meant was the the god depicted in the Qur'an isn't the God as depicted in the Bible or the various Jewish texts.

While "Allah" transliterates into "The Deity," the origins of the word indicate a god other than the Christian God, and one who was the principle god of a pantheon of deities. It was Mohammed who appropriated the term and decreed that it be used in the religion he invented to unite all of the bedouin tribes under one belief system. Thus, "Allah" became the name of Mohammed's version of what he thought the Judeo-Christian deity should be.

Does Pastor Perry know this?

I thought Jew and Moslem believed in the same god... that both traced their ancestry back to Abraham, through different sons.

When Mohammed invented Islam, he appropriated the Jewish "Bible" and declared that it was actually Ishmael that God had ordered Abraham to sacrifice, that it was actually Isaac who was born of the servant woman, and that the Jews essentially re-wrote history to give themselves "God-given" authority to own the "Holy Land."

Amazing, isn't it? A religious leader would accuse other religious leaders of re-writing "Holy" scriptures to justify their actions, when the one religious leader was actually doing so.

Religionist hypocrisy? I'm shocked! Shocked, I say!

I do talk to Him and I do confess my sins to Him. I am unfit for heaven because of my sins, and I acknowledge it. But it is good that you talk about Jesus and His salvation, which is free to ALL mankind.
I have defended Him by speech against atheists and agnostics who mock and make fun of His holy name.

Do not be angered or annoyed at these atheists/agnostics. Their words mean nothing. As it says in Galatians 6:7 "Do not be decieved, for God cannot be mocked. For what a man sews, he will also reap".

Help me out - I am confused. You say that you are "unfit for heaven", and then you say Jesus and his salvation are free for all mankind. Are these two statements not contradictory? Or have I misunderstood what you said?

Secondly, I desire to correct your statement of "Their words mean nothing". They do mean something - to them, they do. Just as your words mean something to you.

Christians believe that nobody deserves to go to heaven, just some people end up accepting the free gift of Jesus Christ to go to heaven. So, there isn't contradiction.


I suppose what is meant is that their words are unimportant. Christians see the world as having absolute truth, where things have an absolute purpose to live up to. One of the ideas that Christians have is that the people who disagree with Christianity are doing so out of foolishness, Psalms 14:1 "... The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." ...."

Awesomlyglorious, I thank you for your explanation, which was very thorough and correct. From your words, and your usage of Scripture, I can assume you are a fellow Christian, or at least somewhere who know a little bit about Christianity. God bless you!


As for you, audioeyes, we Christians believe this, that God gave ALL of us free will, to either follow own selfish paths, or to embrace the salvation that God gave to us all through the sacrifice of His son, Jesus Christ.

No one on Earth is worthy of salvation, like Awesomlyglorious said, because we all have fallen short of the Glory of God because we have sinned, Christians and non believers alike. However, EVERYONE can be saved and go to Heaven, if they believe in Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior and try to live according to what was written in the Bible. God sent Jesus Christ down on Earth to live a perfect life and to be sacrificed as a perfect sacrifice for all the sins of mankind. Jesus was the human manifestation of God, He is a part of God.

You see, it is a matter of belief, and I've seen how God has changed people, thus I believe in Jesus Christ/God. You see, as long as you are alive and breathing, you can be saved and escape the damnation of Hell, which those who chose their own selfish desires will go to. Anyone can be saved, as long as they sincerely believe and trust in God/Jesus Christ. It doesn't matter what you did in your former life: you could have been a drug dealer, a prostitute, a atheist, an agnostic, a Jew, a Buddhist, a Hindi, a Muslim, a Wiccan, a Taoist, a Vodoo witch doctor, a pimp, a murderer, a rapist, or any number of things. You can turn around as long as you are alive and become a Christian, change your ways, and be saved. I even know of a porn star who left the porn industry and became a Christian!

Now, we Christians do believe that atheists and agnostics are very foolish. Why? Because we believe in Jesus Christ and God, and the only unforgivable sin is rejecting God and denying His existence. If you die as an atheist or agnostic, and do not accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, I'm sorry, but you will burn in Hell. But as long as you are alive, you have a chance to be saved.

A fool curses God and those who believe in Him. Atheists don't realize what they are doing is damning themselves to Hell. As it says in the Bible:

Matthew 7:13

"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

It also says in the Bible:

Luke 6:22

"Blessed are you when men hate you, and ostracize you, and insult you, and scorn your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man."

When atheists/agnostics mock Christians, we are considered more blessed in God's Eyes because we believe in Him when no one else does, and trust in Him when no one else does.

Since the core concept of free will is neither useful nor possible in a universe totally controlled by cause and effect the reasoning has no basis in sense whatsoever.