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The Democrats are going down with the ship, they spent so much political capital getting this law passed and they completely 100% own it. They cannot afford for Obamacare to fail, they cannot afford for their liberal savior Obama to go down as another Jimmy Carter(Carter at the very least is an honorable man. I liken the Obama administration more to the Nixon one.) There is no point trying to reason with these people, they've backed themselves into a corner they can't get out of. The only thing that will make them listen is to punish them at the ballot box. How stupid do they feel not delaying the law for a year now?

When social security first started, it had it's bugs. Who says Obamacare won't work out the same way?

The nay-sayers, predictably. And, go ahead. Get them started on Social Security.

Some of the newly insured are finding health insurance to be confusing:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-h ... z2osMPhqoF

The nattering nabobs of negativism, that's who

Um, are you trying to argue that Social Security is a SUCCESS?

It's been taken from what it was created to be to something unsustainable that we steal from one to pay for another.

Social security has been a success, despite it's problems here and there. It's been here for decades, and will be around in the future, despite how conservatives gleefully predict it's death. And what do you suppose would happen if you were to just decide it wasn't working, and you just did away with it?

It was only to be a program for widows, orphans and the truly disabled. I was never to be a retirement plan for ANYONE. It was whining that got the program expanded to pay out when people reached a given age, and there was no restructuring so that it was adequately funded.

Today, there is not one red cent in the program. Benefits are paid from the funds withheld from workers TODAY. There is no "trust fund" in spite of claims to the contrary. Every expert on Social Security knows this.

For someone who claims to know about social security, you are woefully misinformed. Social Security was originally only available ONLY to the workers themselves, as a supplement to retirement and a safety net for those who had no other means to retire. Everything else (survivorship TANF, Medicare, SCHIP, Medicaid state grants, COLA adjustments, early retirement, SSI) came later.

Despite what Fox News tells you, the Trust fund (which is actually the OASDI trust fund and the Disability Insurance trust fund combined) is not exhausted by any means. The Treasury securities (the way that the trust funds hold their assets), earn an average interest rate of 4.9 per year. Benefits are paid from SS taxes collected, with surpluses going into trust funds and shortfalls coming from the trust funds. In 2012, thanks to 121.6 billion dollars in interest, the total revenue less the total expenses resulted in a net gain of 17.1 billion dollars (SS, disability, and medicare reserves combined). The total balance in the combined trust funds was of 1.3771 TRILLION dollars.

Please do some research rather than post misinformation.

And by the way, registering your newborn with the SSA is technically not required. There are enough exemptions out there that anyone who does not want to be involved could jump through a bunch of hoops in order to not participate (granted you would lose everything you have paid in, but if you believe so strongly that you aren't getting your money back, then go for it. Help the youth of today collect their full benefits in the future rather than reduced payments).

What sonofghandi said.

My grandpa worked his butt off until he was 70 to save up a nice nest-egg for him and my grandma, and then when he was experiencing early dementia and my grandma was on opioids for cancer pain, their retirement was stollen by a scumbag "investor" who broke no actual laws and got away scott-free.

Thank human goodness for Social Security. My grandpa is dead now, but without SS my grandma wouldn't have been able to keep her house, despite her and my grandpa having done everything right in their youth.
Not to mention that she'd be dead already, and my grandpa wouldn't have lived as long, without Medicare.

Legally, NOBODY has to register with the SSA. It's still 100% voluntary.

But....

Try and get a job without a SSN.

Try and get a tax credit for your newborn if it doesn't have a SSN.

They promised you never had to participate in the SSA if you didn't want to...but they found a way to clamp a vise to people's economic genitals to make them do it anyhow.

You know, "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance" and all that jazz.

Precisely why I said technically. But if you are so vehemently against SS, I'd think you'd put your money where your mouth is. But I guess you like your tax credits . . .

Try telling that story to heartless ideologues like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, who can't see beyond their own right wing take on libertarianism.

I have no kids, so no place to put my money.

Once in the SSA, you can't get out. So, I have no choice.

If Obamacare is Socialism, then Romney's healthcare system, implemented in Massachusetts several years ago, is also Socialism. They are basically identical. "Romneycare" was invented by a conservative think tank, namely the Heritage foundation. "Obamacare" has been judged by the Supreme Court of the USA, (which is the final word on what is and what isn't considered Constitutional), and has been found not to be unconstitutional. Only the Medicare provision was rejected by SCOTUS, and left to the discretion of the individual States. That said; If it is based in Socialism, is that so bad? Social Security and Medicare have kept people in their old age out of extreme poverty and death for over 70 years now. The are Socialist based programs. As are a tax supported military, police forces, local fire company's, etc. Is Capitalism a perfect system? No. Programs that support the "commons" are most times better when not strictly privatized under Capitalism.
I'm 62, my wife is 60. We both were forced into early retirement due to occupational related injury's. We therefore have to buy health insurance on our own under the private market system. For years, we have been denied coverage by all health insurance company's due to preexisting conditions. We have a very good retirement income, but were turned down for coverage from every company we applied to.
We make too much to qualify for Govt. subsidies. A 2 week bout with plural pneumonia ,several years ago, set us back over $40,000 . Of which we will probably make payments on until our demise. Finally with "Obamacare", we are covered by a silver plan with Highmark Blue Cross. $743.50 per month, $20 co-pays, $6500 max out of pocket yearly. We are ecstatic. You can't believe how stressful it is until you live day by day without health insurance, and worry about losing your home and or life savings if a major illness hits.
So in summary, I could care less if its called Socialism or Capitalism. It is a lifesaver, for millions of people, and sorely appreciated by my wife and I.

Romney was given the nomination to ensure an Obama re-election.

He was NEVER the favored man for the job, but the RNC did a hatchet job on every person who floated to the top until only Romney remained.

As rigged an election as 2008, 2004 and 2000.

Americans are only given the illusion of a choice at the ballot box.