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12 Mar 2016, 9:48 pm

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The bigoted and racist Trump continues to move much closer as the campaign season gets ever nearer which, is not a good thing at all, in fact my feeling is if Trump becomes the president there is the strong possibility of having a plutocracy..


Bigoted racist You should really back up those claims with actual quotations and breakdowns of the same. So should everyone that thinks he is, actually. You should also compare him to other politicians that you think aren't, and apply the same standards to the things they've said and done.


how would you describe a candidate who poop-poohs ["they're passionate!"] members of his audience who shout things like "go back to Africa!" [just saw that on the nightly news] to black people?



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12 Mar 2016, 10:13 pm

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how would you describe a candidate who poop-poohs ["they're passionate!"] members of his audience who shout things like "go back to Africa!" [just saw that on the nightly news] to black people?


Tolerant of diverse opinions?


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12 Mar 2016, 10:36 pm

how is the behavior of that audience member anything but racist, and how is it anything but racist-enabling to tolerate that behavior among his audience members?



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12 Mar 2016, 10:49 pm

auntblabby wrote:
how would you describe a candidate who poop-poohs ["they're passionate!"] members of his audience who shout things like "go back to Africa!" [just saw that on the nightly news] to black people?


Did Trump hear it? Is it Trump's opinion? As far as I know, Trump has zero problems with African Americans that are law-abiding, and he has many black supporters.

Obama can't be blamed for The New Black Panthers being fans of him, for example.



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12 Mar 2016, 10:52 pm

trump is no dimbulb, he is well aware of what is going on. he is enabling it for political reasons.



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12 Mar 2016, 11:00 pm

It is over, Trump has won.

Largest TV audience ever for a debate.

Millions of people who have not voted in many years turning out for the largest ever primary vote.

Calling the Media dishonest liars.

The Republican Party bringing all of its power to bear to stop him, and finding they have no power.

A quarter of Democrats saying they will vote for Trump.

Trump not getting the Nomination would be the end of the Republican Party.

America has had low voter turnout because of lack of any choice. Trump will bring out an army of non voters.

President Donald Trump will Make America Great Again!



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12 Mar 2016, 11:05 pm

I've never prayed harder than i'm praying presently for this country to not self-destruct.



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12 Mar 2016, 11:09 pm

auntblabby wrote:
how is the behavior of that audience member anything but racist, and how is it anything but racist-enabling to tolerate that behavior among his audience members?


Racist-enabling?
Since when do racists need enabling and how is The Donald enabling them? Has there even been racism in his speeches?
The limpdick republican and democratic party's ineffectiveness and ineptness are what has enabled Trump.


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12 Mar 2016, 11:10 pm

auntblabby wrote:
trump is no dimbulb, he is well aware of what is going on. he is enabling it for political reasons.



And evidence? Your "feelings" don't matter here, as feelings can go either way, and bias creeps in when you're dealing with emotion.

You think that the media might just be trying to mislead you and the public by showing Trump in a constant negative light and latch onto anything that might support that?

How would the other candidates appear if they had the same limelight? Hillary? Heh.

I'm no fan of Trump, but he's being given unfair treatment across the board by any objective test you put to it.



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13 Mar 2016, 12:00 am

as the candidate he is in control of his campaign, he sets the tone. if he wanted to he could let his staff/audiences know in no uncertain terms that misbehavior will not be tolerated among his staff or audiences and that no violence or invective shall be directed towards any dissenters. the fact that he does not do this tells me that he is ok with the misbehavior of his audiences, that he tacitly approves of such nastiness. an example of another GOPer who DID correct the misbehavior of an audience member was when john McCain [am no fan of him but he has more class in his little finger than all of trump] gently corrected a delusional audience member who expressed her rage at Obama being [in her estimation] a non-American arab.



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13 Mar 2016, 12:11 am

auntblabby wrote:
how is the behavior of that audience member anything but racist, and how is it anything but racist-enabling to tolerate that behavior among his audience members?


The claim wasn't that Trump is racist enabling and his audience is racist, it was that Trump himself is racist; what you just did there is move the goalposts, a common rhetorical trick. This is actually made more complicated by Trump himself, who doesn't seem to really have a solid set of opinions and values, but rather just free associates till he hits on something that resonates with his audience, then doubles down on it. I think the worst you can pin on him is that he panders to racists.

Really, given the wealth of negatives Trump provides, why the need to make him racist too? Force of habit?


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13 Mar 2016, 12:13 am

I was referring to the audience member as racist and to the Donald as enabling said racism by not forcefully correcting misbehaving audience members the way john McCain did that delusional woman calling Obama a non-American arab.



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13 Mar 2016, 1:07 am

Even if Trump isn't himself a racist, the fact is he's playing up to them with all his talk about illegal Mexicans - hardly code for brown people - being rapists and drug dealers, or for his call to ban brown people from Islamic countries, or for claiming that most white murder victims are killed by blacks. Not to mention, the blithering birther idiocy he was pushing against Obama a few years back, which is undeniably racist in itself. Trump has found a demographic that will support him, and it's by racism that he's wrangled their support. With all the talk about the New Black Panthers supporting Obama (all three or four of them :roll: ), the fact remains, his campaign, or anyone else' for that matter, was never tarnished by his supporters screaming racial slurs, or committing racially induced violence in or outside Trump's rallies.
Trump has said said, "I love the uneducated," and considering the ranks of his supporters, that certainly seems the case.


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13 Mar 2016, 1:51 am

^^^the right wing in this nation is getting increasingly scary. the Donald could easily curb these excesses if he wanted. AFAIC he is playing with fire.



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13 Mar 2016, 12:33 pm

The Left is showing its true colors.

Our elections are not about minority views, being forced upon the uneducated masses.

Socialism thinks that only a gifted few are fit to make rules for all. They read Marx.

Our system is the Majority view being respected, and forming a government by the consent of the governed.

That majority is the center of the Bell Curve. Within five points of IQ 100.

They are our stability. Mostly they do not have Degrees, do not make the Median Wage, and have a low Net Worth.

They are slow to anger, and unstoppable once they have been.

Left and Right have been exposed as being on the same payroll, where Wall Street pays them to support the consolidation of power into the hands of the few. The Nanny State of the Left, the Right's Neocon Forever War, and the Media, all have the same owner.

The People have seen it and know it is true, then Trump exposed them, and showed that they have no real power.

They are the Property and Employees of the 1%. They also have about 1% of the vote.

Only by playing the middle into warring camps can they rule.

The old story is simple, they well crafted narrative had everyone convinced until one small boy named Donald said, "The Emperor has no clothes!" Then at once, everyone saw it, and could never unsee it.