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08 Oct 2018, 9:15 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
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Analysis: True.

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She's a Slovenian Trophy Wife who looks like a life-sized Barbie Doll.


So it’s ok to be sexist and objectivefy women if they not democrats?
Cause if we said that abiut a democrat woman we’d be called misogynistic.



No I'm just saying I think the only reason she stays married to the guy is because he has a lot of money and he probably lets her get away with certain things.

She is to Trump what Ava Braun was to Hitler.

It has nothing to do with sexism it just is what it is.


Right she's just a gold digger and comparable to Ava Braun. Funny thing is if trump said those kinds of things about someone else's wife I have a feeling quite a lot of liberals would blow a gasket.


Are you implying that he wouldn't insult somebody else's wife? This is the same man who called Rossie O'donnell a fat *****.


What I'm saying is that I have observed liberals as a whole constantly doing and saying things that they display righteous indignation over others saying and doing. Liberals can't condemn trump for saying nasty things about women, while saying nasty things about his wife, without coming off as disingenuous sanctimonious hypocrites. It makes their whole credo look like a farce.



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08 Oct 2018, 9:40 pm

EzraS wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
EzraS wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
sly279 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Darmok wrote:
Analysis: True.

Image

She's a Slovenian Trophy Wife who looks like a life-sized Barbie Doll.


So it’s ok to be sexist and objectivefy women if they not democrats?
Cause if we said that abiut a democrat woman we’d be called misogynistic.



No I'm just saying I think the only reason she stays married to the guy is because he has a lot of money and he probably lets her get away with certain things.

She is to Trump what Ava Braun was to Hitler.

It has nothing to do with sexism it just is what it is.


Right she's just a gold digger and comparable to Ava Braun. Funny thing is if trump said those kinds of things about someone else's wife I have a feeling quite a lot of liberals would blow a gasket.


Are you implying that he wouldn't insult somebody else's wife? This is the same man who called Rossie O'donnell a fat *****.


What I'm saying is that I have observed liberals as a whole constantly doing and saying things that they display righteous indignation over others saying and doing. Liberals can't condemn trump for saying nasty things about women, while saying nasty things about his wife, without coming off as disingenuous sanctimonious hypocrites. It makes their whole credo look like a farce.


So by that logic I guess that makes it OK for him and his followers to do it since it's only wrong when us liberals do it right? :roll:

Well whatever I already posted that what I said about her was mean and unfair to her so now you are basically kicking a dead horse.



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08 Oct 2018, 9:55 pm

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So by that logic I guess that makes it OK for him and his followers to do it since it's only wrong when us liberals do it right? :roll:

Well whatever I already posted that what I said about her was mean and unfair to her so now you are basically kicking a dead horse.


It means liberals as a whole who basically claim they are saints, are no better than that which they condemn and their whole stance becomes seen as a sham, because it puts them on equal footing with trump and his followers.



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08 Oct 2018, 10:01 pm

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So by that logic I guess that makes it OK for him and his followers to do it since it's only wrong when us liberals do it right? :roll:

Well whatever I already posted that what I said about her was mean and unfair to her so now you are basically kicking a dead horse.


It means liberals as a whole who basically claim they are saints, are no better than that which they condemn and their whole stance becomes seen as a sham. If liberals want to maintain their claim that they take the high road, then they should not be in the gutter.


You know something? As a liberal I don't ever claim to be a saint. I have done a lot of things that I am very ashamed of. But I know plenty of conservatives who think that just because they read the bible and go to church that it somehow makes them a good person and better than people like me. :roll:

And I used to try and be understanding of conservatives and tell myself that they aren't all so bad but after today my opinion of them has dropped even lower.



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08 Oct 2018, 10:14 pm

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You know something? As a liberal I don't ever claim to be a saint. I have done a lot of things that I am very ashamed of. But I know plenty of conservatives who think that just because they read the bible and go to church that it somehow makes them a good person and better than people like me. :roll:

And I used to try and be understanding of conservatives and tell myself that they aren't all so bad but after today my opinion of them has dropped even lower.


I don't view these things based on an individual. Liberalism has a whole takes the stance of being on the high road. Of being the enlightened tolerant caring intellectuals of society etc. That's why I hold them more accountable. Because I would embrace liberalism if that's what it truly displayed rather than just claimed.



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08 Oct 2018, 10:21 pm

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You know something? As a liberal I don't ever claim to be a saint. I have done a lot of things that I am very ashamed of. But I know plenty of conservatives who think that just because they read the bible and go to church that it somehow makes them a good person and better than people like me. :roll:

And I used to try and be understanding of conservatives and tell myself that they aren't all so bad but after today my opinion of them has dropped even lower.


I don't view these things based on an individual. Liberalism has a whole takes the stance of being on the high road. Of being the enlightened tolerant caring intellectuals of society etc. That's why I hold them more accountable. Because I would embrace liberalism if that's what it truly displayed rather than just claimed.


So explain to me what conservatives truly display?

All I see displayed are people who openly hate me because of my sexuality and disability and think that I do not deserve the right to marry another man and that I should be locked away for the rest of my life like an animal because having a mental illness makes me subhuman.



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08 Oct 2018, 10:49 pm

If conservatives want to prevent people like me from having rights and liberals are all just a bunch of corrupt liars than maybe I'm better off not siding with either of them since I'm basically just a second class citizen in this country anyways.

And that is all I ever will be!



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08 Oct 2018, 10:53 pm

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If conservatives want to prevent people like me from having rights and liberals are all just a bunch of corrupt liars than maybe I'm better off not siding with either of them since I'm basically just a second class citizen in this country anyways.

And that is all I ever will be!


All politicians are corrupt, anyone who doesn't acknowledge that and acts like it's only one side is naive. My father has a joke that people become politicians since they literally can't do anything else, I'd say that is very true unfortunately.

All you and I can do is keep on fighting and aligning with the candidates who actually do have our backs. If we don't do that then we truly do get shafted.

As per the second, yeah - no words of encouragement there. As you know my opinion, this country sucks.



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08 Oct 2018, 11:47 pm

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If conservatives want to prevent people like me from having rights and liberals are all just a bunch of corrupt liars than maybe I'm better off not siding with either of them since I'm basically just a second class citizen in this country anyways.

And that is all I ever will be!


All politicians are corrupt, anyone who doesn't acknowledge that and acts like it's only one side is naive. My father has a joke that people become politicians since they literally can't do anything else, I'd say that is very true unfortunately.

All you and I can do is keep on fighting and aligning with the candidates who actually do have our backs. If we don't do that then we truly do get shafted.

As per the second, yeah - no words of encouragement there. As you know my opinion, this country sucks.


Yes, indeed this country does suck. If I could move somewhere else I would. I hate it here.



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08 Oct 2018, 11:59 pm

If only all the people pouring into this country illegally thought it sucked, it would solve a lot of problems all around.



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09 Oct 2018, 12:24 am

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If you people honestly believe that he is entitled to insult any female he feels like than I should have the right to insult his wife and admit that I think she is nothing more than an imported trophy wife for a fat ugly old rich guy.

Insults are fair game.

People who throw stones can’t then complain when others throw stones.
I.e. yiu can’t call sexist when your sexist.
So much for the left taking the moral high ground

Or could summarize it as hypocrisy which the democrats have a lot of recently.



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09 Oct 2018, 12:25 am

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If I could move somewhere else I would. I hate it here.


It would be a lot better if we could just find a way to round up all right-wingers and all right-wing supporters and kick them out of the country. At the very least domestic terrorism rates would significantly decrease.

Note: sarcastic about rounding up and kicking right wingers out - but terrorism statistics do speak for themselves.

Reminder to Trump supporters/defenders: to challenge this terrorism notion (attacks, not casualties (they're two different things)) - to be taken seriously in refuting it, provide facts that can refute those from a government organized report for congress.

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Terrorism is surging in the US, fueled by right-wing ideologies

Most attacks in 2017 were thought to be motivated by right-leaning ideologies, a Quartz analysis of data from the Global Terrorism Database shows. Out of 65 incidents, 37 were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations.

Meanwhile, 11 attacks were inspired by left-leaning ideologies. And seven were linked to Islamic extremists.

https://qz.com/1355874/terrorism-is-sur ... xtremists/


This frightening aspect of right wing behavior isn’t new either - the government even conducted an investigation which found this same information.

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The Numbers Don’t Lie: White Far-Right Terrorists Pose A Clear Danger To Us All

Yet the numbers don’t lie — even if the Islamophobes do. “Since September 12, 2001,” noted a recent report prepared for Congress by the Government Accountability Office, “the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. … Fatalities resulting from attacks by far-right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001.” Imagine that.

The report continues: “Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).” That’s a margin of almost three to one.

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/31/the ... to-us-all/

GOVERNMENT REPORT OF FINDINGS:

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf


Challenge to all Trumpsters and their defenders: if you want to refute these statistics and be taken even remotely seriously provide a refuting statistical report that can refute The Governmental Accountability Office report for Congress.

Otherwise yep - my nickname for the right-wing stands - “the Terrorism Party” - backed by statistics from the good ol’ US Government.

This isn’t time for snowflake Trumpsters whining about things being unfair for them. Only hard facts from recognized bodies and organizations will be permissible. Tough, but fact based only.



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09 Oct 2018, 12:27 am

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Yes, indeed this country does suck. If I could move somewhere else I would. I hate it here.

America is a great country if you have good intelligence, and/or are willing to work hard.

Otherwise, yes, you're likely to end up as a low wage service worker standing all day at some dead end, mindless job 40-50 hours per week.

As ASD people, hopefully, we put our skills to use.


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09 Oct 2018, 12:30 am

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America is a great country if you have good intelligence, and/or are willing to work hard.


As likely one of the richest people on this site - no, money doesn't make America not suck. :lol:

America sucks for a lot who aren't white/straight/Christians.



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09 Oct 2018, 12:42 am

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America is a great country if you have good intelligence, and/or are willing to work hard.


As likely one of the richest people on this site - no, money doesn't make America not suck.

America definitely sucks to a lot who aren't white/straight/Christian/natural-born-citizens.

Your wealth should insulate you from people who don't like you?

Regarding the richest user on this site, three users come to mind.

One user owns a restaurant in Seattle, one user uses the monkier "Aspie Millionaire" (but hasn't posted in a long time), another user that still posts often posted having 6 million dollars from a sale of a business.

I'm very successful myself, but not a multi-millionaire.


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09 Oct 2018, 12:49 am

It insulates me for sure, but it doesn't get rid of everyday bigotry against me and those like me. I'm not black; but question, do you honestly believe "pulled over (by cops) while black" doesn't happen to rich black people? Do you think extremist Christians care whether the lgbtq person they're assaulting is poor or rich? Do you think rich families don't kick their gay sons or daughters out onto the streets after they come out?

Money solves some problems. Money doesn't solve every problem for everyone. Money isn't everything (god, just saying that will make me sound more egotistical in my next response...)

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One user owns a restaurant in Seattle, one user uses the monkier "Aspie Millionaire" (but hasn't posted in a long time), another user that still posts often posted having 6 million dollars from a sale of a business. I'm very successful myself, but not a multi-millionaire.


(1) That doesn't say much - that's above working class sure, but that's middle rather than upper class (unless I'm so blindspotted that that is upper middle class - no clue). (2) 6 million isn't even remotely close to a lot. (3) I'll stop talking now because I'm probably starting to come off like an egotistical silver spoon brat.

I should mention I'm like Eric Trump or Donald Trump Jr. in that I was born rich. So, those accomplishments from the ground up are impressive. So I don't mean to say they're not - they're just, financially not close to the range I'm referring to.