The problem of SJWs

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19 Apr 2017, 9:58 am

You know how there's that hashtag thing first world problems; I wonder if any fun could be had with a hashtag SJW problems - which could go both ways, serious and parody.
Even though I don't have texting I still have the idea.

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19 Apr 2017, 12:10 pm

I've thought about trying to make a game of SJWish stuff before. Things like a thread where the next poster has to see a microaggression in the post above or otherwise deconstruct it to twist it into something that an SJW can shout sexist, racist, evil, etc. at. But I've never actually dared try it because I think there's the very real possibility I could end up being sickened rather than amused by it. Not because anyone did anything wrong but how perverse the mindset is and how easy it is to twist stuff and villify people.

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19 Apr 2017, 8:44 pm

This is called the "heckler's veto" -- if I don't want someone to speak, I just threaten violence if they do. The university caves in to the threat of violence, and I have succeeded in shutting down someone's rights.

America 2017: Berkeley cancels Ann Coulter speech because it can’t guarantee her safety

After the Charles Murray fiasco at Middlebury, I wrote that “We’re getting closer to the inevitable moment when someone is literally murdered on an American campus because a right-winger tried to speak.”

Berkeley’s administrators agree. In canceling Coulter’s speech next week, they made no bones about the fact that there are now so many fascist “anti-fascist” animals running around campus that Coulter herself or someone in the audience literally might not leave it alive. And after what happened when Milo Yiannopoulos tried to speak in February, that’s a perfectly reasonable fear. You call the local police in Berkeley if you want to arrange “symbolic arrests” at the sit-in you’re organizing for your pet cause, not to stop rampaging leftists bent on smashing store windows and skulls because a thoughtcriminal has arrived in town.

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/04/19/a ... ee-safety/

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19 Apr 2017, 9:52 pm

Drake wrote:

Not because anyone did anything wrong but how perverse the mindset is and how easy it is to twist stuff and villify people.

You mean like this?

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Fact Check
Senator Jeff Flake: Solar Energy Can't Power Lights at Night?
A comment made by Arizona senator Jeff Flake during a town hall meeting was reproduced without context to make him seem ignorant about the basics of solar power.

During that town hall meeting, Senator Flake engaged in a several-minute exchange with a constituent who urged the lawmaker to support efforts to promote alternative energy sources over fossil fuels and address climate change issues. One small portion of that exchange was later incorporated into an image macro that was widely spread online to make it appear as if the senator were ignorant about the basics of solar power:
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As video of the town hall event captures, Senator Flake engaged a constituent (who introduced himself as a major in the U.S. Army Reserve and a recent graduate of Arizona State University with a degree in Sustainability) in a fairly extensive conversation about alternative energy sources, with the constituent advocating the promotion of solar power technologies in Arizona, given that the state is blessed with an abundance of sunshine. In response, the senator didn’t disdain the idea by expressing the absurd concept that solar energy wouldn’t be available at night. Rather, Flake’s contention was that battery technology was not yet sufficiently developed to be able to store enough solar-derived energy to provide “base load power” to cities during non-daylight hours, and thus the use of solar energy exclusively was not yet feasible — that if we wished to completely eliminate our use of fossil fuels, for the time being solar power would have to be supplemented by other non-carbon energy sources, such as nuclear power.

This discussion of alternative energy sources begins at the 13:00 mark in the following video, with Senator Flake’s now-infamous comment occurring a 18:20 — after more than five minutes of back-and-forth that established the context in which he made it:

http://www.snopes.com/jeff-flake-solar-energy/

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20 Apr 2017, 7:41 am

Sometimes you can see people playing a quote mining game in a Sargon of Akkad Youtube video's comments. They'll pluck out some line Sargon said that looks bad all by itself with no context, it will look something like "Quote" - Sargon of Akkad, 2016. And it will get lots of upvotes from amused people.

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20 Apr 2017, 11:52 am

Facebook post by Robert Reich

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Today, officials at the University of California, Berkeley, where I’m a professor, canceled a planned speech by Ann Coulter. They cited safety concerns. In a letter to a campus Republican group that invited Coulter to speak, university officials said that they made the decision to cancel Coulter’s appearance after assessing the violence that flared on campus in February, when the same college Republican group invited right-wing provocateur and Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos to speak.

This is a grave mistake. Coulter should be allowed to speak. How can students understand the vapidity of Coulter’s arguments without being allowed to hear her make them, and question her about them?

It’s one thing to cancel an address at the last moment because university and local police are not prepared to contain violence – as occurred, sadly, with Yiannopoulos. It’s another thing entirely to cancel an address before it is given, when police have adequate time to prepare for such eventualities.

Free speech is what universities are all about. If universities don’t do everything possible to foster and protect it, they aren’t universities. They’re playpens.

I am glad to see more and more progressives speaking out against the anti-free speech phenomenon.

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20 Apr 2017, 4:04 pm

SJW's and their perception by the public has largely tainted the democratic party as of late and was definitely influential in the last presidential election. I think the SJW mindset stems both from a need for attention, and a need to feel oppressed or victimized, perhaps because they feel upset and need something to blame their woes and alienation on.

I myself identify as a sort of democratic socialist (which as I'm sure you know is pretty dang far left on the spectrum) and I myself criticize the actions of this new PC, SJW, and anti free-speech culture just as much as conservatives. So I think there is a communication issue going on where republicans think that democrats all share these values, while I can assure you that is not the case.

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20 Apr 2017, 5:52 pm

Actually, both video's should have content warnings.

The problem with SJW's is where are we going with this.

No matter what you think of Luther, consider his approach, by comparison. At one point, the Founders had civilized discussion, with the British officials. They made arguments, about nature's god, and objective morality. Is there an objective, here.

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21 Apr 2017, 12:30 pm

Drake wrote:

Darmok wrote:

The Simpsons features SJWs at Yale:

More fun with The Simpsons:

South Park

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21 Apr 2017, 2:02 pm

When my "authority' figures are sjw's, fiscal conservatism, putting on a straw hat, and growing things to eat feels like a rebellion.

When sjw's are telescopic philanthropists and hold outs, being nice to people like me is considered rude.

I am a bad, bad person.

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22 Apr 2017, 10:09 pm

Ignotum wrote:

SJW's and their perception by the public has largely tainted the democratic party as of late and was definitely influential in the last presidential election.

They certainly were. SJWs drive people to vote Republican. It was a pretty close election (as usual) so if SJWs didn't drive just a few percent of people to vote Republican, Trump would have lost.

Don't like Trump as president? Blame the SJWs. They're the ones who drove people away from the once respectable Democrat party. I've seen videos of SJWs literally crying when Trump won the election. Ironically, it's their fault he won (of course they took zero responsibility (just like everything else in their lives)).

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22 Apr 2017, 10:24 pm

Has anyone noticed how SJWs tend to wear these 1950s cateye style glasses?

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22 Apr 2017, 10:27 pm

Not all feminists are bad. Just some of them.

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22 Apr 2017, 10:36 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Not all feminists are bad. Just some of them.

Ha! Quite a good description of both indeed. I think however that I prefer to use the word egalitarian more than feminist nowadays just because of how much the word has been trampled over and misused as of late (lookin at you damn feminazis ruining a totally good thing!).

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26 Apr 2017, 3:13 am

Finally and belatedly there seems to be a backlash developing against the anti free speech phenominon.
Elizabeth Warren and Prominent Professors Come Together to Defend Free Speech Is the tide turning in the battle to defend free speech from the forces that would shut down dissent?

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This past week we heard Senator Bernie Sanders and HBO talk show host Bill Maher, vigorously defend free speech for all (including conservatives). Now, we have a few more voices to add to that chorus, and they are important and influential voices.

First, liberal Massachusetts Senator, Elizabeth Warren, joined her ideological partner, Sanders in telling college students that banning conservative voices was not the way to win the debate.

“My view is, let her speak, and just don’t show up. If you don’t like it, don’t show up.” Warren told CNN’s viewers that “Ann Coulter has just gotten a much bigger platform because someone tried to deny her a chance to speak. My view is, let her speak, and just don’t show up. If you don’t like it, don’t show up."

No, it wasn’t a very forceful defense of free speech and not she didn’t actually argue that speech should be free no matter who is speaking or what is being said. Sure, her argument is more about shrinking the platform than it is about supporting the Constitution… but at least it wasn’t Howard Dean’s, “burn the witch” moment.

However, there are a couple of college professors who take freedom of speech very seriously and who also take education very seriously and they have joined together to demand reform on liberal campuses. They are respected Princeton conservative Robert George and the radical liberal from Harvard Cornel West. The two men are dear friends and have spent years debating and encouraging each other on the most important political, cultural, and noteworthy topics – all in an effort to teach their students about what real debate and education looks like.

The two men have now come together to encourage other professors from across the country and around the world to embrace freedom of speech and expression on their campuses.

They have crafted a joint statement/petition that they are asking college educators to sign and support, which states that college campuses are not meant to be places where ideas aren’t challenged. College’s should be “safe spaces” to learn and grown, not spaces where your preconceived notions and beliefs are “safe."

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26 Apr 2017, 4:18 am

Ignotum wrote:

True. Feminazis ruined feminism, which was once a good thing. They went too far. My fear is that MRAs will go too far in the same way. I think MRA started out as a very good thing but some MRAs could turn into MRAnazis.

I don't want to see MRA make the same mistakes that feminists made. But that's what I'm starting to see.

For example.
Feminazis are fear mongers. So are some MRAs.
Feminazis have a victim complex. So do some MRAs.

Obese feminazis expect men to change their beauty standards so they're attracted to short obese women. Some MRAs want women to change their standards so they're attracted to short guys.

Feminazis are typically young women in their teens or twenties who have depression and low self-esteem because they haven't yet achieved very much in life. Instead of pulling their finger out and making something of themselves, they blame their lack of success on the opposite sex. They even think the opposite sex is conspiring against them. This is compounded when depressed feminazis go onto web communities where they give each other support (which is good) and reenforce their biases (which is bad).

Some MRAs are young men in their teens or twenties who have depression and low self-esteem because they haven't yet achieved very much in life. Instead of pulling their finger out and making something of themselves, they blame their lack of success on the opposite sex. They even think the opposite sex is conspiring against them. This is compounded when depressed MRAs go onto web communities where they give each other support (which is good) and reenforce their biases (which is bad).

On top this they also blame their lack of dating success on the opposite sex when previous generations of men put a lot more effort into finding a girlfriend.

I'm not condeming MRAs and I'm not condoning feminazis. I think MRA is something worth saving which is why I don't want to see MRAs make the same mistakes feminists did. I don't want MRA to become just as bad as feminism. I don't MRA to turn into a mirror image, gender reverse version of feminism.

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