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10 Jan 2014, 7:38 am

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A single payer system would have a much better approach to take. As it stands right now Obamacare has made any government involvement in healthcare look bad in the eyes of the many and so the healthcare system will continue to be sick.


I can definitely see this view.


Especially since, as I keep pointing out, Obamacare DOES NOT deal with health care.



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10 Jan 2014, 7:51 am

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Especially since, as I keep pointing out, Obamacare DOES NOT deal with health care.


And as I keep pointing out, it was never intended to.


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10 Jan 2014, 4:00 pm

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Especially since, as I keep pointing out, Obamacare DOES NOT deal with health care.


And as I keep pointing out, it was never intended to.


So, why'd we pass it? The sales pitch from day one was about fixing HEALTH CARE, not fixing HEALTH INSURANCE. Another empty promise from an empty suit sold to the masses with an empty brain.



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10 Jan 2014, 5:49 pm

Healthcare reform was passed to include people in coverage who were not previously covered for reasons of pre-existing condition, or poverty. That sounds like a good enough reason to me.


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10 Jan 2014, 6:34 pm

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Healthcare reform was passed to include people in coverage who were not previously covered for reasons of pre-existing condition, or poverty. That sounds like a good enough reason to me.


1. Insurance companies can have exclusionary policies to prohibit paying for conditions, probably expensive conditions.

2. The U.S. government requires its citizens to buy these insurances that may not even cover their pre-existing conditions.


We will get the worst of socialism and the worst of capitalism in the ACA. The goverment will feed the insurance companies profits so we won't get any efficiency, and this will cause premiums/co-pays to rise because the insurance knows that the goverment will pay the increases with the subsidies, and the insurance industry will find way to exclude people so they can make even larger profit.



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10 Jan 2014, 10:25 pm

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Healthcare reform was passed to include people in coverage who were not previously covered for reasons of pre-existing condition, or poverty. That sounds like a good enough reason to me.


1. Insurance companies can have exclusionary policies to prohibit paying for conditions, probably expensive conditions.

2. The U.S. government requires its citizens to buy these insurances that may not even cover their pre-existing conditions.


We will get the worst of socialism and the worst of capitalism in the ACA. The goverment will feed the insurance companies profits so we won't get any efficiency, and this will cause premiums/co-pays to rise because the insurance knows that the goverment will pay the increases with the subsidies, and the insurance industry will find way to exclude people so they can make even larger profit.


I think it's still possible for kinks like that to be worked out. Especially now that the Prez realizes that he can't appease the Republicans and ConservaDems when this plan was cobbled together by committee.


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10 Jan 2014, 11:02 pm

^^^
And insurance companies - with the blessing of the Republican party - hasn't been doing that?


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11 Jan 2014, 3:05 am

zer0netgain wrote:
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Especially since, as I keep pointing out, Obamacare DOES NOT deal with health care.


And as I keep pointing out, it was never intended to.


So, why'd we pass it? The sales pitch from day one was about fixing HEALTH CARE, not fixing HEALTH INSURANCE. Another empty promise from an empty suit sold to the masses with an empty brain.

because single-payer was seen as unfeasible.



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11 Jan 2014, 6:49 am

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Do you realize that you could photoshop any member of the Republican party onto that cartoon who has ever talked about programs for the poor being a drain on America and it would make just as much sense?


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11 Jan 2014, 6:57 am

zer0netgain wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Especially since, as I keep pointing out, Obamacare DOES NOT deal with health care.


And as I keep pointing out, it was never intended to.


So, why'd we pass it? The sales pitch from day one was about fixing HEALTH CARE, not fixing HEALTH INSURANCE. Another empty promise from an empty suit sold to the masses with an empty brain.


It was pitched from day one as way for millions of uninsured Americans to gain access to healthcare (i.e. fixing health insurance).

And no, it did not solve all the country's problems by a long shot. As I have repeatedly stated, it is very far from ideal, just better than what we had before. If we could get people like you to help fix the massive problems with it instead of just saying that it is evil in its entirety, and get those who support it to get their heads out of their *sses and admit there are issues, it could actually become much much better.

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1. Insurance companies can have exclusionary policies to prohibit paying for conditions, probably expensive conditions.


And how exactly is that any different than before the ACA? At least now there are some minimum standards along with a prohibition on insurance companies dumping you the moment you get sick or increasing your premiums for using it for preventive care too often.


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11 Jan 2014, 1:13 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
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Do you realize that you could photoshop any member of the Republican party onto that cartoon who has ever talked about programs for the poor being a drain on America and it would make just as much sense?


I'd find humor in it even it I were photoshopped into it.
It's always better to laugh and make others bawl than to bawl and be laughed at by others. :P


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11 Jan 2014, 1:50 pm

Raptor wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
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Do you realize that you could photoshop any member of the Republican party onto that cartoon who has ever talked about programs for the poor being a drain on America and it would make just as much sense?


I'd find humor in it even it I were photoshopped into it.
It's always better to laugh and make others bawl than to bawl and be laughed at by others. :P


That reminds me of a Monty Python bit I saw somewhere.

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11 Jan 2014, 1:54 pm

The problem with Obama care is that it does not pay for the 6 million dollar bionic man.



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12 Jan 2014, 10:28 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
And how exactly is that any different than before the ACA? At least now there are some minimum standards along with a prohibition on insurance companies dumping you the moment you get sick or increasing your premiums for using it for preventive care too often.



Your argument is that since the ACA does some good, then that justifies any deficiencies. So, perhaps next year we can create even more spending programs to make up for the deficiencies in ACA? And if those don't work, then who cares, we can make more spending programs later! [sarcasm intended]

1. Look at George Bush's Medicare prescription drug plan expansion.

How could it be wrong to help people get free medicine, rather than cheaper ones in Canada and Mexico , see here ... http://www.usdebtclock.org/ .... a 22.5 trillion projected "prescription drug liability" ....DOH! :wall:

2. What about Medicare and Social Security? Look at all the good they do, isn't it good to help people? , see here ... http://www.usdebtclock.org/ .... ... 88 trillion "Medicare liability" and 16 trillion "Social Security liability" ....DOH! :wall:

3. What about the ACA, isn't it better to help people than worry about deficiencies ? see here .... [link to future unfunded ACA liability COMING SOON] :)



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13 Jan 2014, 7:26 am

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The problem with Obama care is that it does not pay for the 6 million dollar bionic man.


You forgot to adjust for inflation. :lol: