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03 May 2022, 12:44 am

ironpony wrote:

One thing I am surprised by is how everyone is surprised that Russia is fighting in a way that is 'hitting below the belt' such as bombing civilians, etc. But why are people surprised by this?

They don't know history... Here, where Red Army is still in living memory, it's not a surprise at all.

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03 May 2022, 12:50 am

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Russian Foreign Minister: Russia's purpose is not to change the Kyiv regime, but to ensure the safety of the people in eastern Ukraine(Chinese)

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On May 1, local time, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in an interview that Russia's purpose is not to change the Kyiv regime, and only the United States will do such a thing. Russia wants to ensure the safety of the people of eastern Ukraine, so that they are not threatened by the militarization of Ukraine, and that Russia's security is not threatened from Ukrainian territory.

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The historical speech of the Russian foreign minister:
Before the war
Ukraine is not a sovereign state

Ukraine's current government has no legitimacy

A world without Russia need not exist

When the war started
Occupy Kyiv in 1 hour and 22 minutes

A third world war is about to break out, and it will be a nuclear war

We reserve the right to use nuclear weapons if national security is threatened

The Western world should remember our history, we will not give in, we have never made an agreement under duress

A month after the war started
Russia-Ukraine talks fall through, bad for the U.S.

Ultimatum issued to the defenders of Mariupol

A month and a half after the war started
Special operation aims to end U.S.-led world process

Russia will never bow to the west

I don’t want to play a cat-and-mouse game with Ukraine, rejecting the two puppet regimes in the Ukrainian and Eastern regions to re-referendum without the intervention of the Russian army

Ukraine is provoking us, Russia will fight back firmly

Two months after the war started
Russia does not seek regime change in Kyiv, but wants to ensure the safety of the people of Udong

We will not threaten others with nuclear war

Ukraine situation will end with treaty signing

Reasonable speculation about the next statement
Russia will do its best to find peace, for which Russia is willing to make concessions in peace negotiations, including territorial

Russia was forced to launch a self-defense war, but now it seems that launching this war "may be an irrational decision"

Russia willing to provide 'aid' to Ukraine in appropriate manner after ceasefire is achieved

Someone should make a diary of Lavrov's claims and neatly arrange them in self-contradicting pairs.
I see you enjoy absurd in China...

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03 May 2022, 12:54 am

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I see you enjoy absurd in China...

We have a lot of "absurd" things in China.
"Enjoying" them is a smart choice for maintaining mental health.

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03 May 2022, 1:02 am

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magz wrote:

I see you enjoy absurd in China...

We have a lot of "absurd" things in China.
"Enjoying" them is a smart choice for maintaining mental health.

Dark humor is way healthier than vodka.

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03 May 2022, 9:33 am

magz wrote:

ironpony wrote:

One thing I am surprised by is how everyone is surprised that Russia is fighting in a way that is 'hitting below the belt' such as bombing civilians, etc. But why are people surprised by this?

They don't know history... Here, where Red Army is still in living memory, it's not a surprise at all.

But what did people expect? Is it actually possible for one country to take over another without mass murder and this is what a lot of people in the west were expecting to happen?

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03 May 2022, 9:41 am

ironpony wrote:

magz wrote:

ironpony wrote:

One thing I am surprised by is how everyone is surprised that Russia is fighting in a way that is 'hitting below the belt' such as bombing civilians, etc. But why are people surprised by this?

They don't know history... Here, where Red Army is still in living memory, it's not a surprise at all.

But what did people expect? Is it actually possible for one country to take over another without mass murder and this is what a lot of people in the west were expecting to happen?

Russia originally had a "beheading program".
But the foolishness of the planner or the executor (or both) shattered it.

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03 May 2022, 9:44 am

Well since people I know are surprised by Russia fighting dirty and murdering helpless civilians, etc, why are they surprised, or what are some examples, if nations taking over other nations in a much more honorable way, that people having come to expect?

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03 May 2022, 9:54 am

People in the Kremlin expected to just scare and bribe their way to Kyiv, largely repeating what they did in Crimea in 2014. Only this time it didn't work.
What people in the West expected, I don't know. When it comes to Russia, the perspective of its close neighbours differs significantly from what those further away seem to have been believing.

There are historical examples of nations politically uniting via diplomatic means only - but this requires both parties willing to do so.

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03 May 2022, 11:01 am

I suspect Russia’s aim is to depopulate many of the areas it captures.

This is being done anyway with the bombing of homes and the fleeing of refugees.

I read somewhere a large percentage of the population has already left they’ll be hardly any young people left to have children for the future of the country

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03 May 2022, 11:51 am

I see. Do you think this will lead to NATO developing a new type of technological weapon like they had to to defeat Japan for example?

An atom bomb for our age to stop a nuclear superpower from advancing in today's age?

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03 May 2022, 1:07 pm

Ironic situation .. It appears to be a proxy war , but I really do not know for sure the actual extent of the players
Involved In this War . Or perhaps maybe the Corporate players are involved here?

Possible big picture veiw..? China wants no involvement! Everyday Russia’s economy is under Assault .
Chinese economy grows ! Perhaps India s economy grows as well .

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03 May 2022, 1:15 pm

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Cold War has been won with economy.
Cutting Russia out of global economical and technological networks can be more effective long term than devastating them with weapons. And not result in nuclear holocaust!

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03 May 2022, 2:14 pm

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Mmhmm. We’re at that crossroads at work rn. One of the best most cost effective most efficient software tools we use is from Russia and we can’t buy or renew licenses. It’s annoying, but, we can make do with the ones we have by shipping the physical electronics from site to site as well as utilize alternatives that require more manual labour that’s ultimately more cumbersome for our business partners to do and more costly for the end consumer due to increased labour time & costs.. :/ which puts us at a disadvantage over competitors that don’t rely on that Russian software.

There was some talk about how to maybe circumvent things without breaking laws.. like is the Russian company allowed to just Give us software licences on the promise that way pay for them later when legally allowed ? I dunno if that’s legal or feasible. We certainly don’t want to send $ to Russia that Putin could use.. but damn does it suck not to be able to use that software on demand as needed.

Who knows, maybe our partners will eat some of the labour cost in support of the sanctions and keep increased costs to the end user at a minimum? I’d prefer that over playing sanction circumventing games.

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03 May 2022, 2:21 pm

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ironpony wrote:

Hi Magz

Since you live in Poland....

I’ve heard a few rumours that Poland & Hungary were going into W Ukraine to get their old historic early 20th century territories back, either soon or if Russia Captures Kiev.

I don’t think Russia will go to Lviv, possibly leaving the west unviable as a country on its own.

Is there much mention of this in Poland, in the media etc.....?

What do you think the Polish people would think of that idea?

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03 May 2022, 2:24 pm

It's total BS, at least on Polish side.
That's what Moscow would like but we won't give them this satisfaction.
Solidarity with Ukraine :heart: (or we'll be next - we know it).

More on it:
All the political powers that can do anything, from left to right, and overwhelming majority of citizens in Poland agree on it: We need to support Ukraine in their souvereignty and their internationally-recognized borders. It's not only morally right - though it is. It's not only relatability of their situation to our own history - though it makes it easy. It's not even about the fact that partnership with Ukraine is worth way more than possible territorial gains (at a price of hostility!).
It's about preserving the world where medium-sized nations like ours can exist and thrive. Redrawing European borders with force would end it and start a well-known hell again - like it does in Ukraine.

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03 May 2022, 2:38 pm

magz wrote:

ironpony wrote:

If economy is a more powerful weapon then why didn't the world just sanction Japan and Germany instead of strike back with weapons?

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