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In case you haven't noticed, I have never said to ignore the problems with the ACA. Ever. I continually say that we need to fix the problems, not scrap it altogether. If you are worried about the budget, start thinking about closing some of the hundreds of overseas military bases that cost us a small fortune to foreign governments and another small fortune to keep operational. Or we could stop provided financial aid to governments where human rights abuses are the standard operating procedure. Or perhaps reform our policy of paying government contractors even if they do not deliver on time or do not deliver at all. Or maybe we could patch some of the holes in our tax system where large corporations can pay little or no taxes, or even receive tax refunds for millions more than they paid. And why not develop programs that raise people's standard of living enough that they no longer qualify for government assistance rather just than complain that they cost too much money?

Why cut programs that benefit many when we could cut financial benefits for a few corporations and their executives who are currently able to make a fortune by running a company into the ground in the long term just to score some record profits this quarter before moving on to the next corporation for huge a huge sign on bonus? Or actually punish corporations for fraud instead of letting them settle for significantly less than the amount they received by defrauding the American public?

If your argument consist almost entirely of "there are flaws with it so it should be eliminated," then I suppose you support the repeal of every single law ever passed in this country.

Sure, or save money by not going to war, or the million other ways we waste money.

However, the rich and powerful won't let that happen.

Private insurance companies already do this. In Oregon, assisted suicide is legal when a patient is terminally ill. Insurance companies attempted to eliminate chemo therapy options in favor of assisted suicide coverage. Whenever they got caught and the media flipped out, they magically changed their position. Funny how that works.

My God, that's truly evil.

Hmm.......
That's a change. I thought the left embraced euthanasia. I figure there'll be a lot more of it under ACA in the years to come.
Guess it'll be a lot less "evil" then, eh?

The left embraces assisted suicide, not euthanasia. What makes you think that the ACA will cause states where assisted suicide is illegal to change their laws, or states like Oregon to promote it more?

There's a world of difference between choosing the time to leave this life, and being left no choice by the maggots who run the insurance companies.

My dad's with the VA and Medicare. They already do this quietly on the down low. Whether they will go forward with the procedure is more about how much longer you may live than the hope to improve quality of life. This is the GOVERNMENT, not insurance companies, doing the deed.

Not entirely accurate. It is a matter of weighing the possible and likely benefits against the possible and likely risks, and then weighing that against quality of life vs. extension of life. Even then, every patient has the right to make their own decision whether to follow the physician's recommendations or not. If it is determined that their quality of life will be significantly negatively impacted for the possible extension of life by a very limited amount, it will likely be recommended that the patient transfer to Hospice rather than undergo risky procedures that will cause the patient to suffer.

This is in stark contrast to a commercial for-profit hospital where the primary goal is to extend life no matter what (the longer you live, the more cash they can squeeze out of you).

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I was actually responding to what TheGoggles had reported about that sh***y stunt the insurance companies in Oregon had tried to pull off.
And I've always suspected what you said, about doctors quietly helping terminally ill, suffering patients leave this world when staying only causes prolonged, unimaginable pain.

Those of us with experience in health care would do almost anything to avoid spending our last few weeks in the ICU. Only patients and families totally ignorant of the suffering involved would wish a terminal patient to receive 'all possible measures.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/20/your- ... .html?_r=0
http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2011/ ... eas/nexus/

There is such a fine line between youth-in-Asia and assisted suicide that the line, fine as it is, will be trampled into near invisibility by the train-wreck ACA will become.

Money. It still comes down to money and will always come down to money regardless of how many choruses of "kumbaya my president" you all wish to sing.


See my reply to LKL. /\


The insurance companies are run by maggots but they are not the only maggots. Part of the blame goes to the greed of the maggoty medical industry. Considerable blame also goes to irresponsible maggoty customers of both maggoty industries that don't know how, or more often don't bother, to take care of themselves to the point where their need of hands-on healthcare would be greatly reduced.

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I think while it's advisable for people to take care of themselves, and they should accept a degree of the responsibility of their actions, there is still a huge difference between the irresponsible, and the purposefully malign.

Well, if you'd spent any time working for/or with the federal government you'd know what kind of ass-hattery, irresponsibility, and maggotry it's capable of and partakes in daily.

I have indeed dealt with social workers employed by Adult Protective Services when my late Mom had been getting on Medicaid, and I can most assuredly say that these bastards were lazy, vindictive, and got more vacation time than anyone should be entitled to.

I currently work for the federal government. I will definitely agree that the amount of paid time off is extremely excessive (especially when you consider that all the federal holidays are paid days off). But I will say that I have seen no more laziness or irresponsibility than I have seen working outside of the federal government. I'm sure there are differences betweeen different offices and departments, but to assume that government workers are all the way that they are continuously portrayed by those who wish they got better pensions and health coverage is absurd.