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03 May 2022, 3:46 pm

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If economy is a more powerful weapon then why didn't the world just sanction Japan and Germany instead of strike back with weapons?

It was different back then, pre-globalization. Much more localized.
Right now, we all rely on Taiwan

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03 May 2022, 6:31 pm

Often … foreign trade relations can supersede things. Like War . And I think many corporations operated without conscience about selling materials to bad foreign powers . In earlier times . At best some countries. Put tariffs on foreign imports . And exports . Bigger Corporations seem immune to Wartime sanctions . In WW2 and before .

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03 May 2022, 8:07 pm

But I don't think Putin cares about trade and has already made up his mind and cannot be influenced. Once someone like him has made up his mind, he's made up his mind, unless I am wrong?

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03 May 2022, 9:21 pm

ironpony wrote:

But I don't think Putin cares about trade and has already made up his mind and cannot be influenced. Once someone like him has made up his mind, he's made up his mind, unless I am wrong?

..that's why the sanctions are intended to hurt all of the Other rich as*holes in Russia, because they care about trade, and they'll put pressure on putin to end this nonsense.. or perhaps scheme together to end putin's presidency. Same for putting pressure on normal working class Russians and small businesses - if they suffer, their support for putin declines.

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04 May 2022, 12:28 am

There's also simpler goal of sanctions - without access to global markets, especially high-tech, rebuilding their arsenal will be practically impossible on the scale required to continue the war with any success.

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04 May 2022, 12:55 am

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magz wrote:

I see you enjoy absurd in China...

We have a lot of "absurd" things in China.
"Enjoying" them is a smart choice for maintaining mental health.

Dark humor is way healthier than vodka.

Some people should take note of that.

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04 May 2022, 12:58 am

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People in the Kremlin expected to just scare and bribe their way to Kyiv, largely repeating what they did in Crimea in 2014. Only this time it didn't work.
What people in the West expected, I don't know. When it comes to Russia, the perspective of its close neighbours differs significantly from what those further away seem to have been believing.

There are historical examples of nations politically uniting via diplomatic means only - but this requires both parties willing to do so.

I expected Russia to have a competent army.
Clearly, I made an error.

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04 May 2022, 1:01 am

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Ironic situation .. It appears to be a proxy war , but I really do not know for sure the actual extent of the players
Involved In this War . Or perhaps maybe the Corporate players are involved here?

Possible big picture veiw..? China wants no involvement! Everyday Russia’s economy is under Assault .
Chinese economy grows ! Perhaps India s economy grows as well .

Thank god for that.
The CCP would like Russia to become a satellite state. I would.

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04 May 2022, 1:03 am

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I see. Do you think this will lead to NATO developing a new type of technological weapon like they had to to defeat Japan for example?

An atom bomb for our age to stop a nuclear superpower from advancing in today's age?

Cold War has been won with economy.
Cutting Russia out of global economical and technological networks can be more effective long term than devastating them with weapons. And not result in nuclear holocaust!

Look on the bright side, a nuclear winter would solve the global warming problem.

There is always a silver lining.

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04 May 2022, 1:08 am

goldfish21 wrote:

ironpony wrote:

But I don't think Putin cares about trade and has already made up his mind and cannot be influenced. Once someone like him has made up his mind, he's made up his mind, unless I am wrong?

But the problem with sanctions is that it's a slow building solution though and what good is it when the majority of the Ukrainian population is genocided out of existence by then?

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04 May 2022, 1:24 am

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But the problem with sanctions is that it's a slow building solution though and what good is it when the majority of the Ukrainian population is genocided out of existence by then?

That's why we're helping them defend themselves and accept civilian refugees in the meantime.

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04 May 2022, 1:41 am

But can NATO do more than just wait wait for the Russian economy to go down? Like why not just hack into their computers and destroy all their money in the banks. If Putins' personal bank account as well as his co-conspirers' were all wiped clean of any money, would that force him to think twice sooner? And if several citizens of Russia had all the money in their bank accounts wiped gone, would that force them to act sooner perhaps?

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04 May 2022, 1:45 am

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But can NATO do more than just wait wait for the Russian economy to go down? Like why not just hack into their computers and destroy all their money in the banks.

I'm sure such attempts are being made by both sides as we speak.
And, without hacking, there's freezing acounts and confiscations.

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04 May 2022, 1:46 am

Oh okay, but has Putins accounts been frozen yet?

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04 May 2022, 2:10 am

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Oh okay, but has Putins accounts been frozen yet?

AFAIK, he does not have considerable money on his accounts. Officially, he doesn't have much money at all.
Oligarchs keep the money, Putin controls oligarchs with his methods. Oligarchs' accounts and assets have been frozen.

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04 May 2022, 2:21 am

Although I don't agree with what Putin is doing, I'm sure he has his own reasons to do what he's doing. He's no different from many people around you. This is an opportunity for all people to reflect on their own daily evil behavior.

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