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04 May 2022, 2:24 am

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Oh okay, but has Putins accounts been frozen yet?
AFAIK, he does not have considerable money on his accounts. Officially, he doesn't have much money at all.
Oligarchs keep the money, Putin controls oligarchs with his methods. Oligarchs' accounts and assets have been frozen.


Oh okay but if their assets have been frozen why isn't that enough to make them panic so far? Why are the olgarchs still able to buy food and groceries for example with no money?



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04 May 2022, 2:39 am

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Oh okay but if their assets have been frozen why isn't that enough to make them panic so far? Why are the olgarchs still able to buy food and groceries for example with no money?
Some panic, some don't. I suspect they have friends, families and other networks to help them. They try to slip their assets to third world countries where freezing them would be much harder. Abramovich got pretty engaged politically. Some oligarchs have been found dead in last weeks.


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04 May 2022, 2:44 am

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Oh okay but if their assets have been frozen why isn't that enough to make them panic so far? Why are the olgarchs still able to buy food and groceries for example with no money?
Some panic, some don't. I suspect they have friends, families and other networks to help them. They try to slip their assets to third world countries where freezing them would be much harder. Abramovich got pretty engaged politically. Some oligarchs have been found dead in last weeks.



The question is silly. The sanctions effect where they get their next yacht from, not where they get their next meal from. Theyre billionairs for chrissakes. They have more pocket change than youll earn in a lifetime. And its overseas assets that are effected. Not their mansions back in Russia. Just their dozen mansions abroad.

And as Magz said many oligarchs are starting to publicly break ranks with Putin. Even implying that Putin is sanity impaired.



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04 May 2022, 3:28 am

can he intimidate all the oligarchs always?



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04 May 2022, 3:33 am

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I read somewhere a large percentage of the population has already left they’ll be hardly any young people left to have children for the future of the country
Most of those who have left want to come back and rebuild as soon as it's safe enough.
Some are already coming back, either to fight or to take care of their families, businesses and whatever they have left, now that the frontlines have stabilized and huge parts of Ukraine are relatively safe.
Polish Border Guard publishes daily statistics on Poland-Ukraine border. It's really busy both directions.


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04 May 2022, 3:35 am

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can he intimidate all the oligarchs always?
I doubt you get much of a chance for becoming an oligarch in this system if you show too much tendencies towards independent acting.


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04 May 2022, 4:38 am

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But can NATO do more than just wait wait for the Russian economy to go down? Like why not just hack into their computers and destroy all their money in the banks. If Putins' personal bank account as well as his co-conspirers' were all wiped clean of any money, would that force him to think twice sooner? And if several citizens of Russia had all the money in their bank accounts wiped gone, would that force them to act sooner perhaps?


Based on what I heard 10 minutes ago, from an Ammuuurian ex-general, pootin is on his knees in a war he can't win.
They estimate the casualty rate of the Russian army is around 30%.
The general estimates the Ukraine war will set back the Russian army/economy for decades, exactly what I said a month ago. 8)

Pootin is stuffed and desperate.



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04 May 2022, 4:41 am

magz wrote:
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Oh okay but if their assets have been frozen why isn't that enough to make them panic so far? Why are the olgarchs still able to buy food and groceries for example with no money?
Some panic, some don't. I suspect they have friends, families and other networks to help them. They try to slip their assets to third world countries where freezing them would be much harder. Abramovich got pretty engaged politically. Some oligarchs have been found dead in last weeks.


Trump doesn't look that bad now, does he? :mrgreen:



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04 May 2022, 5:00 am

Pepe wrote:
ironpony wrote:
But can NATO do more than just wait wait for the Russian economy to go down? Like why not just hack into their computers and destroy all their money in the banks. If Putins' personal bank account as well as his co-conspirers' were all wiped clean of any money, would that force him to think twice sooner? And if several citizens of Russia had all the money in their bank accounts wiped gone, would that force them to act sooner perhaps?


Based on what I heard 10 minutes ago, from an Ammuuurian ex-general, pootin is on his knees in a war he can't win.
They estimate the casualty rate of the Russian army is around 30%.
The general estimates the Ukraine war will set back the Russian army/economy for decades, exactly what I said a month ago. 8)

Pootin is stuffed and desperate.

desperate people do stupid and evil things like N.B.C.



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04 May 2022, 5:02 am

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desperate people do stupid and evil things like N.B.C.
That's why we're keeping our armies and systems in full readiness.

I just had some conversations with my kids on it: the most stupid thing Putin could technically do would be launching rockets at Warsaw. In such case, there would be alarm and we need to hide in our underground bike storage. Other forms of attack are militarily impossible - after Russian army has shown their ineptness in Ukraine, we know our army with NATO allies would defeat them with ease.


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04 May 2022, 5:15 am

magz wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
desperate people do stupid and evil things like N.B.C.
That's why we're keeping our armies and systems in full readiness.

I just had some conversations with my kids on it: the most stupid thing Putin could technically do would be launching rockets at Warsaw. In such case, there would be alarm and we need to hide in our underground bike storage. Other forms of attack are militarily impossible - after Russian army has shown their ineptness in Ukraine, we know our army with NATO allies would defeat them with ease.

it is precisely that which scares me into taking poootin at his word that he'd resort to his nukes and other nasties.



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04 May 2022, 5:21 am

Well, he's already very much resorting to "other nasties".


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04 May 2022, 6:32 am

What would have happened if we conceded that Hitler “made up his mind,” and just allowed him to do his thing?



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04 May 2022, 6:35 am

It’s an honor to the Ukrainians that they want to come back and rebuild their nation.

It’s unfair that they must do this because of an idiot. But they’ve managed to not be immersed in that self-pitying sense of being treated unfairly—or rather, they did not let this “sense” prevent them from going forward.



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04 May 2022, 6:37 am

they serve as today's heroes for standing up to the menace.



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04 May 2022, 7:01 am

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What would have happened if we conceded that Hitler “made up his mind,” and just allowed him to do his thing?
That's Chamberlain. The war happened anyway.


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