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Right. Chamberlain. But I meant more DURING World War II. Extending appeasement to 1945.

We already did a Chamberlain with Putin as far as Crimea is concerned.

I don't know how we could do apeasement here in Poland. Simply impossible. Appeasement is not for the ones actually invaded.
But apart from that - you would be attacked with more force because it wouldn't be used up on earlier fights.

I wasn't talking about Poland at all. Poland was invaded by the Nazis in 1939; appeasement by Chamberlain indirectly caused this. Poland was a victim of the 1938 appeasement by Chamberlain.

I was talking about the Allies in general----especially the US. If we had ignored Hitler up to 1945 or beyond, then the world would have been in big trouble.

All this is, of course, analogous to the appeasement practice in 2014 when Crimea was "annexed" by the Russians. This created ideal conditions for Russia to invade Ukraine in 2022.

Initially when the west started freezing accounts and making sanctions .. the Rubles value fell dramatically
But as the War went on
Putin did what he needed to for his country and shifted his trade relations to China ,& India and South America to countries not engaged with NATO or direct involvement with the War .. News last week reported that the Ruble
Has fully recovered its value . Due to these changes . This action strengthen the Yen ? Yuan ? And the Ruble.
Which also had unintended consequence of weakening the dollar . Smarter Ogliarchs overthere had already moved and kept big money into corporations . And other financial instruments,Which operate with a large amount of immunity to Wartime activities .
It might be noted here that War is good for many big businesses but this is largely kept from the eyes of the
Normal public masses.

I wonder how much international money will be funnelled into Ukraine to help rebuild?

Probably something which would be close to what was funneled during the Marshall Plan in the late 1940s.

We'll see what we can afford once we get there.
Post-apo is full of business opportunities and Ukrainians are resourceful people. It will be great time for investments.

Yep....and construction jobs....and electrician jobs.....and plumbing jobs........architects.....enigneers......the whole nine yards.

Alas, "post-war" can be a very profitable enterprise. The pity is that there are frequently so many martyrs.

i hope WW blinkin' 3 doesn't start because of that megalomaniacal fool with the long table.

Speaking of Putin, and tables. In the latest vids he is shown sitting at small tables, with one general close by him, but....he is always hunched over, and gripping the edge of the table with a curious death-grip. Some suspect that he has developed Parkinson's disease, and does that to keep his hands from shaking on camera. His face is also starting to look bloated.

Couldnt happen to a nicer guy. But also....

Might explain the rash move to start this war. He was afraid his life would end before he achieved his geo-political goals of expanding Russia.

On the bright side ...if he kicks off soon then the Kremlin board of directors might replace him with a more public relations friendly, and more rational chairman of the board- who might hit the pause button on the war effort.

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mebbe somebody is slowly poisoning him somehow, perhaps with warfarin like what happened to stalin?

The pity….is that much damage has been done.

In the meantime, a dangerous date of May 9 is approaching.
Ukrainians call off all public events and tell citizens not to leave homes unless to bomb shelters on that day. Based on how well they used intelligence information so far, it's gonna be hot.

Also, there's gossip that in Mariupol, civilians are forced to take on Ukrainian uniforms and play POWs. Some ominous show is being prepared.

For those who don't know why May 9 - that's anniversary of Nazi Germany capitulation, celebrated in Russia as "Victory Day", with big military parades. Now the narrative of "fighting nazies" in Ukraine and lack of an actual victory makes it a particularily dangerous moment.

Too bad this is the state of affairs that decent, honest citizens have to go through.....

"It has been said that for evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing." -- the Reverend Charles Frederic Aked, who was calling for restrictions on the use of alcohol in 1916

After Russia invaded Ukraine, many Americans who did not have anything to say about the invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq, much less torture at Guantánamo and elsewhere, or Yemen, or Palestine, suddenly started wearing blue and yellow flags.  They displayed no such virtue before, so how can these self-serving souls think they are suddenly being virtuous now?