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31 May 2022, 3:36 am

Biden definitely has too short idea-to-speech circuit for a politician, that's a serious disadvantage on his position - though, that actually makes him more credible for me - I get glimpses into what he really thinks.

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It was unclear if Biden, in fact, misspoke on Wednesday, or if he was reflecting the unease and resistance he is hearing from Europe. Despite efforts by the administration — led by Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken — and top officials at NATO and the European Union to project a united front in confronting Moscow, the reality is that many of the United States’ transatlantic allies are less willing to unleash total fury against Moscow.

Being in Europe, I find this very likely.
What Germany and France did about the totally unminor incursion that actually happened and what turned out about them bypassing Crimea sanctions... yup, the reality is, if Putin did not attack full scale, much of West Europe would have likely just keep ignoring it.

Of course, it wasn't political to say it, I agree.


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31 May 2022, 4:18 am

And Biden "dithered" when he should have armed Ukraine at the beginning, rather than after pootin invaded.



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31 May 2022, 4:30 am

Before Feb 24, no one knew how things would develop.
Ukraine was very underestimated by the analytists.
If they behaved like the Afghans did, Russia would end up at Polish border with a lot of new American weapons. And then start testing art 5.

That's why Ukrainians had to prove who they were before USA could trust them with weapons other than light and strictly defensive.
And there's always risk of weapons systems captured by the enemy. One needs to cauciously weight many different scenarios. When you lend dangerous gear to other people, you can't control and make sure they don't screw things up. Trust has to be earned before more is given.
A lot has changed since January in this matter.


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31 May 2022, 4:50 am

magz wrote:
Before Feb 24, no one knew how things would develop.
Ukraine was very underestimated by the analytists.
If they behaved like the Afghans did, Russia would end up at Polish border with a lot of new American weapons. And then start testing art 5.

That's why Ukrainians had to prove who they were before USA could trust them with weapons other than light and strictly defensive.
And there's always risk of weapons systems captured by the enemy. One needs to cauciously weight many different scenarios. When you lend dangerous gear to other people, you can't control and make sure they don't screw things up. Trust has to be earned before more is given.
A lot has changed since January in this matter.


I was expecting the "invincible" Russian army to steamroll Ukraine.
It didn't happen and it still took a long time for Biden the "get his finger out" when it became clear the level of resistance of the Ukrainians.

The Biden administration was shit-scared any Amurrrian assistance would start WWIII.
It was paralysed by this fear until much later.
And all this was taken into consideration by pootin. 8)

Psychopaths are encouraged by weakness. 8O



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31 May 2022, 5:05 am

Keeping it formally clear that NATO and USA are not a side in this conflict is importnant.
The conflict may have not been likely to ever spill where you live but in March, there was serious risk of it spilling here, which would lead to either a fiasco of art 5 or a full scale WWIII.
Now the situation got clearer and we can follow with more heavy weapons for Ukraine, so they can liberate their territories.
The situation was very dynamic in March, a bad move could result in a nuclear holocaust. Luckily, we avoided it. Now the immediate problem no. 2 is the food crisis. Plant some potatoes if you have room for it ;)


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31 May 2022, 6:27 am

magz wrote:
Keeping it formally clear that NATO and USA are not a side in this conflict is importnant.
The conflict may have not been likely to ever spill where you live but in March, there was serious risk of it spilling here, which would lead to either a fiasco of art 5 or a full scale WWIII.
Now the situation got clearer and we can follow with more heavy weapons for Ukraine, so they can liberate their territories.
The situation was very dynamic in March, a bad move could result in a nuclear holocaust. Luckily, we avoided it. Now the immediate problem no. 2 is the food crisis. Plant some potatoes if you have room for it ;)


Biden "blinked".
Biden essentially gave pootin the go-ahead.
There is no getting around that, imo. 8)



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31 May 2022, 6:29 am

JFK "blinked" also. only way to avoid blinking is to have foresight. very rare commodity, that. ronnie raygun was just lucky with the good timing that gorby came along when he did.



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31 May 2022, 6:33 am

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JFK "blinked" also. only way to avoid blinking is to have foresight. very rare commodity, that. ronnie raygun was just lucky with the good timing that gorby came along when he did.


Perhaps, in an alternate universe.
In my dimension, it was the Soviets who blinked.



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31 May 2022, 6:36 am

Pepe wrote:
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JFK "blinked" also. only way to avoid blinking is to have foresight. very rare commodity, that. ronnie raygun was just lucky with the good timing that gorby came along when he did.


Perhaps, in an alternate universe.
In my dimension, it was the Soviets who blinked.

he gave up missiles in turkey so krusty would calm down.



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31 May 2022, 6:41 am

auntblabby wrote:
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JFK "blinked" also. only way to avoid blinking is to have foresight. very rare commodity, that. ronnie raygun was just lucky with the good timing that gorby came along when he did.


Perhaps, in an alternate universe.
In my dimension, it was the Soviets who blinked.

he gave up missiles in turkey so krusty would calm down.


I thought you were referring to Cuba.



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31 May 2022, 6:54 am

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I thought you were referring to Cuba.

Please study up on the history.


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31 May 2022, 7:29 am

Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
JFK "blinked" also. only way to avoid blinking is to have foresight. very rare commodity, that. ronnie raygun was just lucky with the good timing that gorby came along when he did.


Perhaps, in an alternate universe.
In my dimension, it was the Soviets who blinked.

he gave up missiles in turkey so krusty would calm down.


I thought you were referring to Cuba.

the two were connected. krusty put missiles in its cuban client aimed north at us because we had missiles pointed towards the bear in turkey. simple as that.



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31 May 2022, 7:41 am

auntblabby wrote:
JFK "blinked" also. only way to avoid blinking is to have foresight. very rare commodity, that. ronnie raygun was just lucky with the good timing that gorby came along when he did.

I prefer the risk of "blinking" over acting before thinking.


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31 May 2022, 7:42 am

It was quite a few couple of weeks in 1962----the Cuban Missile Crisis.....



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31 May 2022, 12:01 pm

I think Biden's detractors are just looking for a convenient way to blame him for the invasion of Ukraine.

However I think most people are wrong about Ukraine in most respects. I think Putin's strategy is succeeding. The apparent drive to capture Kyiv was a feint. Raw low-value conscripts and drunken old officers with no future were sent. The best personnel have now been sent to the East and it would appear they are meeting their objectives.


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31 May 2022, 12:26 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Nah, I've done a very good job of explaining my position through the years. Nowhere in this thread did I give the slightest indication that I'm a Trump supporter. But I'm one by default simply because I don't like Biden or the Democrats.

It's absurd!


Well of course youve done a good job.

The fact that you failed to communicate your position to any of us doesnt mean that you have...failed to communicate your position to any of us. :lol:


I invite you to produce one comment I've ever made on this board that could be construed by
anyone with critical thinking skills that I support Trump. Just one!



Hello Veg!

I don't even read American politics on here but I know you don't love Trump.

It's weird how some people are so obsessed with the binary.

They forget people can be critical thinkers and dislike both men.


Americans have been so systematically programmed to play the lesser of two evils game for decades they just don't see another choice. I've come to the conclusion that there really isn't an electoral solution to our problems. The only candidates we're served are ones that will continue to perpetuate this corrupt state run by corporations.

It's not a model that can sustained very much longer if we study the history of fallen empires. We are in that late stage, unfortunately.


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