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10 May 2022, 11:23 am

Biden just committed funds to back Ukraine for months - hopefully it’s enough to drive Russians out vs just prolong things. I can’t recall the dollar figure for weapons but it was pretty huge. Maybe enough. Hopefully enough.

China is watching all of this and learning how not to F up invasions, and what American and NATO response capabilities are etc. if they make a push for Taiwan they’ll do it better than putin bungled this that’s for sure.


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10 May 2022, 11:30 am

^I think what the Chinese government has actually learned is to go from "better not to 'invade'" to "never 'invade'". At least until the structure of the economy changes - and I see no sign of near-term success.

Chinese citizens' overseas assets and China's dependence on globalization far exceed Russia's.
The government won't be able to suppress the political unrest that the military action will bring to the domestic economy.

And China cannot recruit as many warmongers as Russia. As soon as someone's standard of living falls because of the war they support, that person immediately switches sides.
Chinese people are quite pragmatic.


I think most Chinese people are more concerned about how to make Russia not let its tricks kill itself now.


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10 May 2022, 2:09 pm

Love your Attitude Magz you seem to maintain a very upbeat point of veiw ….. :D thank you .


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11 May 2022, 9:02 am

No referendum on "Kherson people republic", just the puppet "government" asks Moscow to be annexed.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1524380366991204354
Well, I guess if they tried a referendum, they couldn't secure the desired result, even with all their ability to creatively count votes.
And now Moscow will be claiming they're "only protecting their borders" :roll: How about Poland "only protecting" their historical borders from 1612? :twisted:


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11 May 2022, 9:26 am

As we can see, Russia doesn't have the ability to take over even small portions of Ukraine.

They thought they would take Kyiv-----they thought the Ukrainians would just lie down and allow the Big Bad Bear Russians to conquer them.

Even at a considerable loss of life, and temporary loss of livelihood, the Ukrainians have not "lied down," and they are now, at times, even taking the offensive.



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11 May 2022, 10:13 am

Kherson is the only major city Russians managed to capture but I wouldn't say they couldn't "take over even small portions of Ukraine". They occupy quite a bit of it and from what we know - it's very bad for the people there :(


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11 May 2022, 10:24 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
As we can see, Russia doesn't have the ability to take over even small portions of Ukraine. . .
magz wrote:
Kherson is the only major city Russians managed to capture but I wouldn't say they couldn't "take over even small portions of Ukraine". They occupy quite a bit of it and from what we know . . .
This illustrates the difference between arm-chair theorizing from the other side of the world, and direct observation from next door.

I trust Magz in delivering the truth of the conflict.



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11 May 2022, 10:37 am

I based my supposition on maps of Ukraine. Very little of Ukraine, especially west of the territories the Russians "recognized" were actually under Russian control.

Obviously, atrocities occurred in places under Ukrainian control, primarily. Because of shelling, artillery, etc. And there were disastrous sieges. Mariupol, is an obvious example. The Russians besieged Mariupol, but didn't actually capture it.

Where in the world did I say that Ukrainians aren't suffering considerably? Where did I downplay their suffering?



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11 May 2022, 10:40 am

The regions in red are not small.
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Sure, the rest of the country is big (but not really safe due to shellings) and the initial Russian plan failed spectacularily - but it's a big deal to regain the internationally-recognized territory and liberate the people there.


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11 May 2022, 10:44 am

I think it's a big deal, too-----where did I ever state that it's not a big deal?

I know.....it's mostly the territories the Russians "recognized." And adjacent places. And mostly in the east. And it has been stated that Ukraine is on the "offensive" in some of those places.

Right now, it is said that about 3/4 of Kyiv's residents have moved back into Kyiv.

Please.....I never said that it's not a dire situation there, to say the least. I didn't mean to minimize what is happening there. About a quarter to a third of the population displaced. This would be equivalent to about 75 to 100 million people being displaced in the United States.

All I said-----really-----is that the Russians didn't do what everybody expected them to do.



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11 May 2022, 12:25 pm

Ukraine is liberating as we speak:

https://babel.ua/en/texts/78555-ukraini ... ublication

Please don't interpret this as a call for NATO, etc., to stop sending aid to Ukraine.



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11 May 2022, 12:32 pm

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Lithuania has recognized Russia as a terrorist state for the first time in the world
Lithuanians don't fear to speak the truth :heart:

Successes in Kharkiv Oblast are most likely thanks to Western weapons - and we need to send more of them because they are being made good use of.


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11 May 2022, 12:37 pm

I believe Biden has proposed $40 billion in aid to Ukraine.

It has to pass both houses of Congress.



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11 May 2022, 4:26 pm

The House of Representatives approved $40 billion in aid to Ukraine. The Senate will likely pass it as well.



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11 May 2022, 11:11 pm

SkinnedWolf wrote:
^I think what the Chinese government has actually learned is to go from "better not to 'invade'" to "never 'invade'". At least until the structure of the economy changes - and I see no sign of near-term success.

Chinese citizens' overseas assets and China's dependence on globalization far exceed Russia's.
The government won't be able to suppress the political unrest that the military action will bring to the domestic economy.

And China cannot recruit as many warmongers as Russia. As soon as someone's standard of living falls because of the war they support, that person immediately switches sides.
Chinese people are quite pragmatic.


I think most Chinese people are more concerned about how to make Russia not let its tricks kill itself now.


I am comforted that the CCP has stopped threatening Australia directly, even though it has just established a military foothold in the Solomon Islands.

I also see no evidence that the CCP is heavily supporting pootin through military aid.
I find this reassuring, also.



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11 May 2022, 11:16 pm

magz wrote:
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Lithuania has recognized Russia as a terrorist state for the first time in the world
Lithuanians don't fear to speak the truth :heart:


Absolutely True.
And they don't let the CCP intimidate them either.
(The CCP has imposed sanctions on Lithuania).

magz wrote:
Successes in Kharkiv Oblast are most likely thanks to Western weapons - and we need to send more of them because they are being made good use of.


And an additional 40 billion dollars worth of military aid coming from the US, now. :thumright: